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u/MustacheCash73 5h ago
Yeah I’m going through college for my history degree, and that’s how I found out it is, in fact, a liberal arts degree
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u/TapZorRTwice 5h ago
A degree in economics is also a liberal arts degree.
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u/FullMooseParty 4h ago
Weirdly, that's one of those departments that floats around at schools. I work in higher ed technology, and econ is one of the departments that my company does a lot of work with. At some schools it's in Liberal Arts and sciences or social sciences if they're split off, but at some schools it's housed within the College of business. NYU actually splits it, where theory is in the Arts and sciences but more practical application work is in the College of Business.
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u/Definitely_A_Backup 4h ago
I think it’s entirely within Business here but the mathematics side sits within Science
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u/AsleepDeparture5710 4h ago
At some universities like mine even the math courses are part of a BA math degree, to separate theoretical math from the experimental hard sciences.
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u/ErmacAnd1 2h ago
Actually, if the program is indoctrinating Keynesian economics, then it’s consider Libural Arts, otherwise if it’s Classical, then it’s under the Adam Smith School of Business /s
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u/calum11124 4h ago
I have a full electrical eng degree. Can we all just agree there basically the same in terms of respectability. Sure maybe not employment but youngot a degree and your smart
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u/FamiliarAnt4043 4h ago
This guy is DEFINITELY an engineer. Y'all aren't exactly known for being able to write properly, lol.
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u/vxicepickxv 2h ago
Ar least the engineer I regularly work with has the excuse of English being his third language.
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u/Apart_Republic_1870 4h ago
One of the many colleges I went to had Economics as a Social Science but had an Applied Economics major in the Business School.
And at another college, I was in the middle of a masters degree in economics in the business school when the school shut down the program without so much as warning me. It was annoying.
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u/Prior_Internal7728 4h ago
Econ is offered at my college’s business school and offers a bachelors in science and bachelors in arts in economics. The big difference is that the bachelors in science requires you to take calculus or finite math while the bachelors in arts doesn’t require that but requires you to use calculus in the upper division economics classes. The BA requires you to take international classes and is much less rigid in its requirements at the business school.
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 3h ago
Depends on focus. It can be either one.
Also, there are BAs for traditionally STEM degrees. These things are just random ass labels colleges use. BA of Math is a common one.
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u/Fit-Reputation-9983 3h ago
Funnily enough, my Communications Media degree is a Bachelor of Science
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u/formandovega 3h ago
Most psychology courses fall under arts as well .
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u/TapZorRTwice 3h ago
So do most literature degrees.
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u/formandovega 3h ago
I have a degree in sociology and I love pointing out to people at its technically a master of science 😆
People assume that sociology left wing weirdos are all arts and humanities people but think again..
I'm twice as much of a scientist as Jordan Peterson 😆
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 3h ago
Harvard's medical school is also liberal arts.
People who use liberal arts as an insult are people who never went to college so they don't know what liberal arts is.
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u/here_is_no_end 3h ago
Steve Jobs was a bad person but I appreciated that at the unveiling of the iPhone, he framed it as being at the intersection of technology and liberal arts.
E.g. STEM without liberal arts is no bueno.
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u/justdisa 2h ago
They don't like the word "liberal."
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 2h ago
Right. That's because they fundamentally don't understand it. They're not capable of understanding it either, because they've never experienced liberty, the foundation of liberalism.
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u/HarveysBackupAccount 2h ago
They also think "liberal arts" means literal art like drawing, not just... getting a broad foundation spanning many topics, in addition to the classes for your major
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u/stanleythedog 5h ago edited 4h ago
I wish I could do a history degree (without being terrified of lack of employment options, and also studying it in an actual country instead of my own). I like history and always figured it'd be more fun to hang out with humanities folks. God damnit man. It hurts so fucking much that I never got to actually experience uni life and never really will.
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u/Accomplished-Door5 4h ago
I did a history minor in college just because it gave me an excuse to take a bunch of history classes and I needed the credits anyway.
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u/Connee14 4h ago
Isn't English a liberal arts too? I think a lot do that as well.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 3h ago
Most degrees are.
One of the fastest ways to identify someone as uneducated is by them using liberal arts as a slur.
It immediately clocks them as someone who's never attended or enrolled in education past high school, and even their attendance in high school is questionable
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u/NutmegKilla 3h ago
most lawyers have undergrad in humanities or social sciences. I know many lawyers who majored in English
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u/AndrewEophis 5h ago
They think liberal arts is left wing painting
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u/NwgrdrXI 3h ago
Wait, no seriously, I am not american, brazilian colleges work diferently
I tought that's what it was.
What is a liberal arts degrees? Equivalent of "humanities" degree?
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u/KillerArse 3h ago edited 3h ago
Copied from Wikipedia:
Liberal arts education is a traditional academic course in Western higher education, which traditionally covers the natural and formal sciences, social sciences, arts, and humanities. Liberal arts takes the term art in the sense of a learned skill rather than specifically the fine arts.
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The modern use of the term liberal arts consists of three areas: the natural sciences, social sciences, and humanities. Academic areas that are associated with the term liberal arts include:
* Humanities: archaeology, art, history, literature, linguistics, philosophy, religion, modern languages, classical languages, music, theatre studies, etc.
* Social sciences: anthropology, business studies, economics, gender studies, human geography, law, politics, psychology, sociology, etc.
* Natural sciences: biology, chemistry, Earth sciences, physics, etc.49
u/government_not_ok 2h ago
To magats, this is all that matters; “librul art degree = gender studies“
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u/famouslastwords 58m ago
I mean, gender studies would be a liberal arts major for sure, but then again, so is economics and astronomy.
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u/Magnus_Medivh 2h ago
wait, so what isn't liberal arts? it's even got physics
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u/BallNosedSpaniard 2h ago
It varies for each institution, as many have already pointed out on this thread, but some would be:
-Engineering (EE, Civil, Mech Eng, etc.)
-Mathematics
-Business, finance
-Healthcare
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u/roguevirus 1h ago
-Business, finance
And notably, economics is a liberal art.
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u/PracticalPotato 56m ago
Finance (applied economics) is more often BS while economics (theory and macroeconomics) is more often BA. But it does depend on the school.
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u/KillerArse 2h ago
Kind of more vocational degrees for a job, like nursing, engineering, dentistry, or teaching I believe.
I may need a fact check on this claim, though.
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u/flywithpeace 1h ago
It depends which school you attend. If you go to liberal art college you will get a BA. If you go to STEM college you will get a BS. If you go university they offer both.
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u/Deep_Operation1671 3h ago
Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis 'free' and ars 'art or principled practice')[1] is a traditional academic course in Western higher education, which traditionally covers the natural and formal sciences, social sciences, arts, and humanities.
from wikipedia, i didnt know what it was either
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u/Le_Zoru 2h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education
Basicaly it just means "intellectual crafts" for the middle ages guys.
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u/sirentropy42 1h ago
It’s up to interpretation, and I don’t think you’ll ever find full agreement in a crowded room, but the easiest way I’ve found to say it is:
If you’re learning how to understand rather than how to do, it generally falls under the liberal arts umbrella.
This is why they don’t like liberal arts degrees. They rely on people not being able to understand.
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u/GhsotyPanda 3h ago
Over simplified answer, anything that's not STEM is a liberal arts degree.
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u/Peace-Disastrous 1h ago
Many such cases:
"America isnt a democracy, its a republic." Because democracy sounds like democrat which is bad and republican has republic in it so that one's good.
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u/Dr-Fizzel 5h ago
How’d he get a bachelor’s degree? I thought he was married??
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u/IAgreeGoGuards 2h ago
You have a Masters Degree? I thought the Civil War got rid of that?
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u/SpiritualPackage3797 5h ago
Their minds stop working when they see the word "liberal". The word "arts" wouldn't have helped, but they never actually got that far.
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u/mittenknittin 4h ago
They see "liberal arts" and assume something like underwater basketweaving
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u/catchyerselfon 4h ago
Liberal Arts = Degrees in Marxist Feminist Critical Race Theory Anti-Christian Pro-Satan Anti-American Pro-Welfare Class Warfare Fancy Coffee Open Borders Pacifism Interpretive Dance Queering Avant Garde Art & Hating Your Parents, according to these people
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u/nerv-corp 3h ago
im an education major and we talk about CRT because we are a mostly white department in an urban area. no shit we have to talk about systemic whiteness. i'm still also learning how to write a lesson plan /and/ look at systemic white supremacy. they're fucking braindead 😭😭😭
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u/CowboyLaw 2h ago
BTW, just so we're clear: you weave many types of baskets by holding the reeds you're weaving underwater, because that keeps them pliable. The whole redneck joke assumes somehow that the weaver themselves is underwater, which is...silly. It would be better to call it wet basketweaving, as compared to dry basketweaving (since some other materials need to be woven when dry).
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u/movzx 2h ago
I mean, it also relies on people not understanding the difference between college and a trade school. You don't get a degree in how to do a specific thing. College is not teaching you a specific skill and then kicking you out the door. An 'underwater basket weaving degree' would be an arts degree where you were able to take some specific classes as part of your broader coursework.
But if we accept the premise of an 'underwater basket weaving degree' then the actual coursework would be the history of it, its impact on society, the modern logistics, the techniques involved, etc. A doctorate that actually focused on it would be doing heavy research and publishing information that would be beneficial outside of such a niche field.
Just as a lark, a couple of craft YouTubers got SCUBA gear and attempted to do underwater basket weaving. Turns out it was pretty complicated and something you might actually need a class to cover the logistics on.
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u/CowboyLaw 2h ago
I generally agree with everything you said. One small quibble: the people who actually RUN the Republican party understand perfectly the difference between college and a trade school. And they have a strong desire to rule over an electorate who doesn't possess strong critical thinking skills. And so, in aid of that goal, they've spent 40 years mocking educational institutions that teach critical thinking. And here we are, living in an early phase of the world they're trying to create.
It's always important to distinguish between Republican leadership (corporatist types) and the voters they depend on (poor and poorly educated).
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u/ghostbirdd 3h ago
“Why are there liberal arts degrees and not conservative arts degrees??? Discrimination!1 DEI!1”
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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 3h ago
Remember when they asked Trump about western liberalism and he started ranting about California and Washington state?
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u/DanarchyReigns 5h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education#Modern_usage
Liberal arts covers a vast spectrum of topics. The above tweet is the result of right-wingers turning "liberal" into a bad word.
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u/aslatts 1h ago edited 1h ago
It's also variable between schools. A "Liberal Arts" degree can cover just about anything, depending on where you look.
The school I went to offered both Arts and Sciences degrees in most programs except the college of engineering. You could graduate with a Bachelors of Arts from the College of Science or a Bachelors of Science from the college of Arts and Design.
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u/DangleAteMyBaby 5h ago
I'm an engineer and went to liberal arts college. I've had this conversation many times over the years:
Me: I went to a liberal arts college. I liked it!
Co-worker: How did you become an engineer? What was your major?
Me: I was a physics major. I went to grad school for engineering.
Co-worker: I didn't know they had physics majors at liberal arts colleges.
Me: Yeah, pure sciences like physics, chemistry, and biology are considered liberal arts. Applied sciences like engineering or nursing are not.
Co-worker: I didn't know that!
Me: This was all explained during college night in high school. Did your high school not have a college night?
Co-worker: It did - I probably just wasn't paying attention.
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u/Maurock2 4h ago
I'm not from the states, so i've never had it explained before, is liberal arts basically everything that's not applied science? Cause if i'm understanding correctly it feels kind of broad to the point of uselessness to ever say someone has a liberal arts degree
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u/RecklessDeliverance 4h ago
You understand correctly.
You're also correct in that it's basically a category so broad it's almost nondescriptive. Practically nobody ever talks about "liberal arts degrees", except for people who don't know what it means and just sees "liberal" and "arts" and start foaming at the mouth.
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u/MudRelative6723 4h ago
“liberal arts” is a relatively broad category that emphasizes building a general set of skills (critical thinking, fundamental knowledge, etc) over building a more technical, specialized set of skills. being reductive for a moment, it’s essentially a measure of how much a course of study is constructed with the end goal of immediate employment (think apprenticeships, etc).
with how specialized human knowledge has become, a large portion of undergrad degrees nowadays might be considered “liberal arts” degrees. but a similarly large portion of students graduate with degrees that are much more immediately applicable, like engineering or computer science.
some degrees can also be structured as liberal arts degrees without nominally being one. one might take, for instance, an interdisciplinary approach to engineering without an eye toward immediate employment (though that’s often a side effect). and so on
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u/raz-0 4h ago
And some schools literally have a degree called "liberal arts". It tends to be a fairly bullshit degree program and is usually less academically rigorous that a specific named degree program from the liberal arts curricula.
My alma mater introduced "liberal studies" some time after I left. It's basically the degree to try and get people who never made up their mind and ran out of money out the door with a piece of paper.
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u/elebentychimkin 2h ago
I’m confused can you provide any credible evidence that an accredited institution is issuing “Bachelor of Liberal Studies” degrees
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u/DangleAteMyBaby 4h ago
A university will have multiple colleges: College of Arts and Sciences, Nursing College, Engineering School, Business School. A liberal arts school is basically just the College of Arts and Sciences as a stand-alone school.
Yeah - it's a little vague to say "liberal arts degree." But a nursing degree or an engineering degree - although also vague - is better understood. I've rarely heard "liberal arts degree" used that way.
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u/ineednapkins 3h ago
Yes, like I know some people who studied computer science in college and their degree is officially a Bachelor of Arts degree in Computer Science.
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u/Arctic_The_Hunter 3h ago
Physics Major and English Minor here, I also never knew this. Why would anyone need that distinction?
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u/Zefirus 1h ago
Me: This was all explained during college night in high school. Did your high school not have a college night?
Mine in the South definitely did not. The extent of my college prep was I literally sent my diploma and ACT scores to a single school and was lucky enough to get in. The guidance counselor in charge of doing that for me didn't say a single thing. Not even "Are you sure you don't want to send these to other schools in the state".
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u/boeing2014 4h ago
They think a liberal arts degree is what you get if you want to be an expert in being "woke".
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u/pappapirate 4h ago
they actually unironically think the "liberal" in liberal arts refers to politically liberal.
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u/New_Salamander_4592 5h ago
So conservatives thought "liberal art degrees" was an actual specific major focused on liberals and their art? the destruction of education in red districts is really just too effective of a strategy, my god.
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u/TornadoFalls 1h ago
It's an annoying part of the right wing propaganda machine that unfortunately feeds itself.
There are way too many people I've encountered online but also in person, including in my family, who actually thought 'Liberal Arts' degrees are some 21st century invention to teach progressivism. When they think of 'college indoctrination' that's what they mean.
It's painful to process those conversations. They are genuinely too stupid to comprehend and too soulless to care that 'Liberal Arts' is a very broad term including a lot of high quality studies and degress that I'm sure many of them have earned themselves.
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u/uhhhhhhhhhhhyeah 34m ago
I have a degree in chemistry, and it's part of the liberal arts and sciences college. I know I'm not alone. Easy way to tell who hasn't been to college.
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u/jeffismybaby 5h ago
Smh them collage kids aint learn nothing but tham A-rab Numbrals or tham Librey Arts!!! Jihadis or communists Marxists!!!
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u/BusyBeeBridgette Human Verified 5h ago
People see "Liberal Arts" and let the mask slip. It's just a term for a mix of sciences and arts - Something general and well rounded. Though it would likely be less confusing if it was just called "General Studies". Not particularly difficult as it is mostly surface to mid level intricacies subject wise. Which is why many Lawyers take it as many Law Schools prefer students to have a degree already.
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u/kerfuffle_dood 4h ago
The illiteracy of conservatives is quite stunning. They believe the world liberal can only mean "blue-haired lib". I bet that if they read it like "freedom art degrees", they will be the first ones to endorse them.
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u/Keeper21611 4h ago
Words don't have meaning to them. They're phrases they have been told are bad. What the words actually mean and how they fit together with other words are lost on them. I saw a video of a guy interviewing a very muscular maga dude on the street. The interviewer asked what is a communist and the maga due kept saying Kamala Harris. Even when the interviewer asked "no what is the actual definition" the maga dude got angry because he didn't actual know what the word meant. Tried to intimidated the interviewer. The maga dude's wife had to pull them away otherwise the dude was going to try to fight the interviewer. The tv said she was a communist and communists are bad. That's all these people need to know.
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u/MattLocke 3h ago
You’ll never be able to “outmaneuver” their hatred by changing labels. They are so easily manipulated to hate things they used to champion.
You alter it to freedom degrees and they’ll turn against the word freedom. They’ll likely even pull a grade school trick like calling it “free-dumb degrees”.
And it’s not like non-liberal arts degrees gain their respect anyway. Sure have been making a go at mocking as many science degree havers as possible for decades now.
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u/bigheadzach 2h ago
The last two decades of our culture can be summed up in that "if they could read your sign they'd be very angry!" meme
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u/ktwhite42 3h ago
Waiting for the "executive order" requiring all college to offer a "Conservative Arts" degree..
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u/Heavy_Arm_7060 2h ago
"Welcome to Conservative Media Studies 111. Module 1: Taking the 1997 film Starship Troopers at face value..."
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u/ListerRosewater 3h ago
Rightoids literally don’t even know the definition of liberal. Let alone that the “western values” they love so much are quite literally rooted in liberalism.
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u/SmokyMetal060 5h ago
History is a liberal arts degree lmao
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u/RoutineCloud5993 5h ago
History is like the most liberal arts of liberal arts degrees. Do they think liberal arts just means stuff they don't like, like gender studies?
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u/Zeusnexus 4h ago
These are the same people that freaked out over "transgender" mice because they're illiterate.
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u/GalaxyHops1994 4h ago
That’s one of my litmus tests for if someone is irreconcilably stupid.
No sane person would think that we were doing bottom surgery on mice and that the government was paying for it.
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u/CommercialEstate4422 5h ago
Its all dem GENDERS an TRANSES that take dem DARN ART CLASSES, boy! Damn LIBRULS
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u/SnooMaps7370 4h ago
Conservatives don't know what anything with the word "liberal" attached to it means. I've seen some of my conservative family members fuck up a recipe because the cookbook said to apply an ingredient liberally.
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u/Duzzies305 4h ago
It's a funny medieval term that survived to today.
In the medieval period it basically meant the skills for self-employment.
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u/spinningcolours 4h ago
Fun fact: Philosophy students get amongst the highest scores on the LSAT.
https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.apaonline.org/resource/resmgr/data_on_profession/Philosophy_LSAT_Stats_2023.pdf
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u/Hootinger 3h ago
Do they know what liberal arts, humanities, and social sciences are? I mean, I know they don't, but still....
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u/ciclon5 3h ago
They think liberal arts is just arts.
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u/throwaway_circus 2h ago
Everyone knows that liberal arts degrees teach you how to sew rainbow flags and make mosaics from smashed bits of the patriarchy.
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u/KaleidoscopeKelpy 2h ago
My -AAS in liberal arts, paralegal/legal assisting: “am I a joke to you??”
(Not a lawyer, not going to law school but still took a ton of pre-law classes lol)
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u/BeneficialTrash6 4h ago
It's funny, because an undergraduate degree in anything pertaining to the law is worthless in law school and is usually seen as a mark against an applicant.
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u/Comprehensive_Pin565 4h ago
Thats... silly. Is this really a thing? As in the more you know the less they want you?
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u/Sennten 3h ago
They want you to have strong thinking skills and learning skills, and to have a broad background that makes you capable of understanding things in context. They have deliberate and extensive programs for developing subject matter expertise, so all having subject matter expertise prior to applying does is make it difficult for them to tell if you have the other skills you will need but that they dont think they should need to teach.
Theres nothing silly about that at all, thats absolutely the approach that is appropriate to take if their goal is to produce competent legal experts.
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u/Santos_L_Halper_II 3h ago
"Please explain how you went from liberal arts to law school."
Easy, I completed my liberal arts degree, took the LSAT, and was admitted to law school based on my performance on those two things.
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u/goodcleanchristianfu 5h ago
Undergrad degree doesn't matter for law school. Law school curricula work under the assumption that you know nothing about law when you enter.
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u/maodiran 4h ago
Yea.. all these comments seem to be confusing what the actual degrees are, with what's considered a liberal art, while also ignoring the lines are vague enough different colleges and different countries do things far differently.
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u/slopestyle90 4h ago
They see the word “liberal” and “arts” two things they think are woke and immediately shut their brains down. There’s not much more to it than that. Their vocabulary is literally stunted.
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u/SCW97005 4h ago
The degree that qualifies me to get made fun of for working at a Starbucks is the same degree that gets me into law school.
It's hard to care about or want to please people for whom anti-intellectualism is a key portion of their identity.
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u/MahomesMccaffrey 3h ago
Liberal arts college is by default the largest college for most undergrads.
Many STEM degrees also fall under liberal arts
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u/AventineAstartes 3h ago
Being a conservative is not understanding how anything works and throwing a hissy fit when they learn.
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u/TotallyNotAnIdiot478 2h ago
Whenever a conservative says something that just doesn't make sense, its not because of some 4d chess wordplay, they're simply too stupid to understand anything. They're also too incurious to learn anything that isn't forced upon them, so they're left to make up their own reasons for things happening.
Government is not excluded from this anti-logic.
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u/falcrist2 1h ago
Crimson saw "liberal arts" and thought it was a degree about fine art taught by someone with highly progressive political affiliations.
The VAST majority of Americans straight up don't know what liberal, progressive, conservative, republican, democracy, socialism, communism, or fascism mean.
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u/Higher-Frequencies 1h ago
Wait a minute. Are you trying to tell me that conservatives don't know how a fucking thing works and base their opinions on what they assume a thing to mean, even when one of the words is one of their own dog whistles?
Inconceivable!
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u/FancyJesse 47m ago
Those morons have the word "liberal" redefined by all the propaganda they keep gulping down.
Pure ignorance
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u/Dont-be-a-smurf 5h ago
Unless they’re half-an-engineer going into patent law…
Your undergrad degree does not matter for a lawyer. You can get into law school after doing nearly any other undergraduate degree as long as you went to a decent school, did well, and did well on the LSAT.
It doesn’t matter.
I’m also personally cynical about the true value of law school curricula (or at least how it was when I graduated a decade ago). It’s an adequate “are you stupid?” check, but the vast majority of my skills were honed in the field. I think many law grads will attest that law school did not adequately prepare them for what it’s really like. Especially for litigation.
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u/InsectaProtecta 4h ago
What are your thoughts on some US states having the option to get degrees through work experience?
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u/Dont-be-a-smurf 4h ago edited 4h ago
It’s all difficult to quantify. I think an apprentice model makes some sense for sure, but I also believe that there is value in a standardized intelligence check (essentially, don’t get rid of the bar exam).
I am evidence motivated, so if a trial program shows it’s producing qualified young attorneys then I’m all for it.
I think a blended model of schooling for 1L year while transferring to more hands-on or immersive work for 2 and 3L makes sense. Some schools do try to strike this balance.
But there’s a genuine tension here, because no client wants a trainee to handle their case. But doing the REAL work is where most lessons are learned.
You can’t simulate the real equities and tensions in a case that has real stakes, no matter how hard moot court or trial practice tries.
Anyway, long story short it sounds like it could be a good idea.
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u/jmdunkle 4h ago
This is like when you use terms like ‘classical liberalism’, ‘liberal democracy’, or ‘neoliberal’ when in conversation with American republicans. It’s not possible to have a conversation with them because as soon as you say the word “liberal”, they’re instantly pissed off because decades of consuming right-wing outrage media has poisoned their tiny brains. There’s no reason to engage with these people and I’m tired of acting like the rest of us need to “meet them where they are.”
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u/Astarkos 4h ago
Its oddly consistent. Liberal arts was the course of study appropriate for a free citizen who must engage in civics and make decisions instead of a slave or other commoner who must be told what to do. Their leaders all have such degrees but they don't have a problem with that.
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u/Hot-Philosophy-7671 4h ago
The most fun I had teaching was philosophy and symbolic logic to a class of mostly engineers. They thought it would be an easy "A," and buddy, it was not.
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u/Morall_tach 3h ago
My mom became a lawyer from an art history degree. I know another lawyer who has a forestry degree. Once you take the LSAT and get into law school, your undergrad is basically irrelevant.
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u/molotovzav 2h ago
People who didn't go to college are uneducated when I comes to degrees. Water makes things wet. More news at 11.
The only shocking part of this stuff is these people get to vote despite being very dumb.
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u/DeniedAppeal1 1h ago
If conservatives would just learn how to use google they could avoid embarrassing themselves every chance they get.
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u/vasta2 1h ago
No they wouldn't, they don't google "what is 2+2" they google "2+2=5" and find other dumbasses who think the answer is 5 and they jerk each other off
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u/Only-Finish-3497 5h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education
“a traditional academic course in Western higher education, which traditionally covers the natural and formal sciences, social sciences, arts, and humanities”
All you needs with physics or math degrees have liberal arts degrees! Bwahahah!
Seriously though, one of the most broadly misunderstood topics I’ve ever seen. Even lots of people who should know better don’t know this.
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u/Void-Cooking_Berserk 4h ago
Wait until they find out that math is a liberal art...
The name just means "skills worthy of pursuit by a free person". As opposed to a slave. Because the term comes from the ancient times.
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u/Pepsiscrub 4h ago
Shhh, don’t tell them that Liberal Arts colleges exist; their brains might melt. My husband got his English degree at one. I would also say it makes sense they fear liberal arts degrees because my 3 degrees in political science, policy, and a master’s in public administration are all liberal arts degrees. Based off of how these wackos are running things, maybe they need liberal arts to know how the government works.
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u/is-robin 4h ago
Most people don’t understand liberalism is a right wing ideology… so I doubt most would understand the title structure of college degrees.
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u/i_am_13th_panic 4h ago
with this sort of thinking, they probably sports science is the same as being a doctor. No hate for sports science people, but they're not doctors.
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u/Warm_Stress_1654 4h ago
Rhetoric - which was understood to mean arguing in a court of law - was the first of the ars liberalis. Grammar and logic were second and third to the party. History was only counted as a liberal art from the Renaissance onwards.
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u/NeedleworkerDear5416 4h ago
Some people think "Liberal Arts" and "Dark Arts" are synonymous.
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u/Keeper21611 4h ago
If it's art is bad. Good people don't do art. Art is for the fansy pants people in art exhibits buy a rock for millions. /s
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u/OkYak9466 4h ago
Redditors quickly finding out ITT "Liberal Arts" can mean anything depending where in the world you're at.
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u/artbystorms 4h ago
I mean undergrad degrees are classified as bachelors of arts or bachelors of sciences. Anything that is not science is art. That includes history degrees, English degrees, Business degrees, law degrees, etc.
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u/drunkenkurd 4h ago
Yeah liberal arts is bad! Why don’t you get a STEM degree, that I also don’t believe in because I’m a flat young earth creationist- conservatives in a nutshell
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u/Mordeczka123 3h ago
conservatives when there is a word "Liberal" in Liberal Arts:
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u/Ok_Patience4789 3h ago
How about an economics degree, which is a Bachelor of Arts... History or Pre-law (also a BA)
Hospitality management is a Bachelor of Science though....
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u/Tgirlgoonie 3h ago
Liberal arts trace back to Ancient Greece, the word liberal here meaning “free”. The are the intellectual pursuits one is allowed to pursue if they are a free citizen.
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u/Novel-Mission-1920 3h ago
Oh boy.. I just realized they think that "liberal arts" literally means a bunch of liberals doing art together 🤣
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u/Belezibub 3h ago
Most law schools don’t care what your previous major is anyway unless you are getting into Patent law.
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u/formandovega 3h ago
Fun fact: Elon musk has a bachelor of arts in physics. Basically physics as a humanities subject.
His bachelor of science is in economics.
Funny that because you'd think it would be the other way around if you didn't know any better.
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u/BigBeef35 2h ago
Some people 100% think liberal arts is just talking about finger painting and gender studies.
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u/Icy_Blackberry_3759 1h ago
This is the kind of shallow reactionary thing people say when their political beliefs are just a cultural identity
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u/Racketmensch 1h ago
You're telling me a liberal arts degree is not going to teach me the art of being a liberal?
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u/Altruistic_Cap3472 1h ago
never mind the fact that 95% of what lawyers do is reading, writing, and literary interpretation, and the only thing you need to know from a history or political science degree are taught in the first four months of law school anyway
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u/BrotherCaptainMarcus 1h ago
When the question is "Do conservatives know. . . " the answer is always. No.
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u/marvinfuture 3h ago
You know damn well the only reason they are doing it is because it has "liberal" in the name. This administration is obsessed with names and renaming. Ironic for a political group that doesn't understand pronouns or deadnaming.
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u/TheJohnnyJett 2h ago
Well, their brain shut off at "liberal." They don't understand that the word has not always had the modern American political implication and, in most cases, still doesn't.
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u/Ligma_baws_2x 5h ago
Being Conservative should come with ADA protection, given how much we have to work within their handicap.
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u/Weird-Girl-Thing 4h ago
I legit think a good chunk of conservatives think liberal arts is when blue haired people do painting
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u/anonstarcity 4h ago
My dad was a lawyer for half his career and a judge the other half. He gives advice to young (high school aged) aspiring lawyers to consider other degrees if they eventually want to specialize. Having a journalism or literary degree could help in copyright or media law, while having a nursing degree could help tremendously in malpractice or personal injury, etc. So it really depends, but this could be a lawyer who knew exactly what law they wanted to do and took steps to specialize in it.
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u/C4-622MonkeyGordo 4h ago
Oh look, more evidence that conservatives are ontologically fucking stupid.
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u/Im-Not-Calling-It-X 4h ago
Lol there was an interview of trump where someone asked him what he thought of "Western liberalism" and this dumb motherfucker started talking about how California is a failed state or something. These people are cartoonishly stupid
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u/OneDayAtaTime_13 4h ago
Isn’t poli sci a liberal arts degree? Tons of lawyers do that for undergrad.
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u/guyinabush 3h ago
I remember trump 1.0 going on a rant at the UN or something when asked about"western liberalism" he thought they where talking about California...
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u/Abeytuhanu 3h ago
The law touches on all subjects and it is thus no harder to get into law from any other subject, as depicted by the documentary Legally Blonde
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u/Iboughtcheeseonce 3h ago
I was in a private call with a VERY well known YouTuber and they were arguing with someone about politics. The other person said "I got my sources from whatever website, its libertarian, is that fine?" YouTuber goes, "so its a liberal site." Like bruh. Not the saaaaame.
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u/jackofslayers 3h ago
I have a BA in Mathematics and is someone tells me they have a BS in Mathematics I give them a funny look.
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u/FinnishMafiaFan 1h ago
It's not fair to expect conservatives to know what different degrees are, they "didn't need no collage learnin'"
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u/thesphinxistheriddle 1h ago
My SIL is a lawyer and did her undergrad in English. If you can’t see how reading complex texts and writing a thoughtful response to it helps you be a lawyer I don’t know how to help you.
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u/WulfTheSaxon 56m ago
For reference, probably the example of how conservatives would like to see higher education run is Hillsdale College, a proud liberal arts college.
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u/Ultrace-7 42m ago
History, Criminal Justice, Sociology, Economics...all valuable fields for politicians and lawyers. All liberal arts.
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