Rudeus is a 35 yr old man who reincarnated but before he did he missed his parents funeral to jack off to his niece who happened to be a minor anyways he’s a Epstein diddy blud
The absolute lengths some people on r/anime go to to defend Rudeus/Mushoku Tensei is crazy.
It's fine to admit you like the show because of the wider world/side characters but hate the MC. But no, they can't do that. Instead they say Rudeus is actually a kid and it's fine because of hormones, or some say he has 'grown' so it's fine now. Lmao
They'll call you a hater and a larper for enjoying the series but recognising how absolutely shitty he is as a character. Like, goddamn, you gotta question Rifujin (the writer) sometimes...
Yeah 100% makes you wonder about authors when they write main characters like this and frame them in an okay to good light. If Rudeus was treated as a villain by the people he victimises fine, but they all either end up marrying him or at least respecting him. Ridiculous. Some sort of disgusting wish fulfilment
Hey your forgetting that he went like a whole year without being able to get a hard on..... That's enough of a punishment for assault and grooming. He really learned his lesson from that ..... /s
I've literally seen people argue this. Like he spent a year without getting a boner so that makes up for his earlier behavior.
Saw a post yesterday asking why do so many animes have perverted shit/assault women for humor. Some comments said it was cultural, but one commenter mentioned how they actually once asked a woman from Japan. It's not cultural, a vast chunk of anime authors are just genuine weirdos. Until ten years ago, Japanese culture considered it weird to even still enjoy anime past the age of 25. Weeb was considered an insult.
You will get downvoted to oblivion for saying this in goodanimemes.
There was a meme comparing the character arcs of Thorfinn and Rudeus and I said that the difference between them is that Thorfinn feels remorse and tries to overcome his past to be a better man by leaving his old ways behind by any means necessary. Rudeus also has a lot of character growth, but none regarding his sexuality towards people much younger than him. They called me gore fetishists and excused his behavior by saying it was ok bc he was emotionally stunted by a traumatic past.
He was stunted by a traumatic past. The anime is about him overcoming that, and he does in a lot of ways. None of which are him taking responsibility for the fact that he’s hitting on a lot of women he had power over and relationships with when they were literal children
bro why are you even in that sub 😭 i have left and blocked that sub a long time ago, they are just a bunch of horny weeb in that sub posting unfunny hentai image disguised as an “anime meme”
I got reminded of that post too. I still can't believe those two were not only compared but most comments agreed that thorfinn was worse rhan rudeus. I understand that the sub came to be, because of a war with "tourists" but this is ridiculous. I've been watching anime and reading manga for 15 years and in all those years I've never read anything as appalling as mushoku tensei. People defending rudeus need to have their hard drives checked.
I dont even hate Rudeus as a character. I like deeply flawed characters.
But the world around him does not treat him as flawed.
They treat him as a flawless hero.
And all of his insane misdeeds and sexual assaults are ignored
I tried to push through because of how many people claim it’s peak but I just couldn’t stomach Rudeus. It’s just a pedo’s wet dream isekai fantasy, there’s plenty of other good story content out there that doesn’t have a creep mc.
I pushed through the entire novel series and yea.. nothing was really ever "peak". Id say it was a solid 6 or 7/10 but his weird tendencies and fetishises cringed me out many times over that I had to take breaks.
Its crazy how people will die on the hill that this is as good as some of the goats.
I went into the anime blind and made it about halfway through the first season before bailing. There was enough good to it aside from the hyper perverted MC that makes me want to go back, but I just can't get over an MC that is 40+ mentally going after prepubescent girls.
i'm sorry but how can you possibly enjoy the show when the main character is like that? how does it not spoil everything else? I don't believe it one bit.
Fast forward through those bits or zone them out. I genuinely think the world is interesting, some of the fights are fun and when Rudeus isn't being perverted I can get into the show. Then there's 5 minutes dedicated to him being a degenerate and I get disgusted. Mind you I'm pirating it so in no way helping the author/producers
You don't even have to go to r/anime, the mob of Pedeus defenders has already reached this comment section lmao
"You don't understand, if you ignore all the minor grooming and jerking off to lolis and your niece and actual pedophilia he's not that bad of a character. Yeah, that's right, it's not like I can find another series that has good characters and story to enjoy, it HAS to be the one with the pedo protagonist because, uhm, reasons"
This was kind of where I was at with the entire thing. I was reading the manga YEARS ago, and honestly, while I liked the world building and all the side characters, the perverted nature with minors and Rudeus entirely just rubbed me the wrong way and I eventually dropped it.
It's easier as an anime only as they can cut a lot of the inner monologue when it gets a bit completely rapey, but yeah the dude is a sex pest as is half of the cast
Like it'd matter. The writer of rurouni Kenshin got caught with terabytes of child porn on his computer and got let off with a slap on the wrist. Like a month later people like oda were celebrating him. The industry just doesn't care and nor does Japan it seems.
Author's one true isekai wish is to not pay taxes, so the first 8 episodes of the anime are dedicated to building up this fantasy society to explain why the MC could be the one in charge of collecting any taxes.
Season 3 of the anime was delayed because the author was in prison for tax fraud.
Rare isekai that isn't centered around power or sexual fantasy, but instead around taxes.
If the MC were a more redeemable character, the anime would be a solid 8-9/10 imo, but (as generously as I can muster) the MC's perversions seriously put it at a maximum of a 4. It was genuinely uncomfortable to watch as much as I did, and I have no desire to finish the show after the few episodes I did watch.
Always sad when something that is otherwise good is ruined by the author being a freak.
Made in Abyss is a another one that seems really interesting from all the tidbits I've seen online of the later worldbuilding, but I just could not make it past a few epsiodes of the author being creepy as hell towards child characters
The reason why I stopped watching the anime after the first season. I just felt disgusted and its crazy to me that this shit gets such good art and animations while opm gets a power point slideshow
“The whole time I was out there stealing Eris’ panties.”
This made me actually LOL due to how unhinged my mental image was of everyone else out doing actual, useful, plot-important stuff for 8 hours a day, and this fucking guy just completely perving out and being useless in all that time, reporting back at the end of a long day when everyone else is tired, and saying this type of shit.
Then the rest of them made me go back to crying, thinking of the mistakes in my life that led me to read this comment on this day.
It pisses me off so much, cause the animation is pretty good for an isekai and the world is interesting, but then you have a literal pedophile main character who worships some chicks panties as his god. How the fuck am i supposed to look past that. It’s disgusting and it completely takes you out of the story.
To think that people believe Issei from Highschool DxD is worse
Sure he definitely is not as complex but he is not a pedo and wouldn't miss an important event of someone he (supposedly) cares about just because of hormones
Mfs will say “if you ignore the main character being a pedophile degenerate pervert, it’s actually a good story” with a straight face, as if it’s something you can just ignore if you want.
Exactly! People love the Shield Hero Rising, or whatever it's called, but i find it disgusting with how the main character gets a legit harem of mostly little girls pining for him! WTF!?!?
Not the GOATs like Full Metal Alchemist: brotherhood (I mean... its gross in a different way), season 1 One Punch Man, Demon Slayer (though cliche) is great, and Vinland Saga
The thing far far too many people defend and say we're lying about despite the very source material used as evidence. Can't believe this shit is just sitting on Hulu right next to all the other stuff.
Well tbf I think they're changing/omitting a lot of details like that for the anime. I noticed they completely retconned him trying to sexually assault Nanahoshi
I read the OG WN in Japanese like 7 years ago. I am pretty sure it was straight up CSAM in the novel, he was watching it during his parent's funeral and his siblings busted down his door, smashed his computer, beat his ass and kicked him out. All that happens within like the first few paragraphs which is a hell of an introduction to the series. They definitely cleaned it up a bit for the anime.
Important to mention that after reincarnating he groomed 3 children into being his wives. Sure he may be 12 or something but mentally he’s like 40 at that point and the author references the fact he’s an adult
No, just a 50 year old with a child body. Yes this is canon as her species body stops aging at 14 at the latest and starts back up at 100. So it leaves them with an early teen (at best) body for about 90 years.
This is actually why I stopped watching the anime. They said this is one of the best isekai and ln is a must read but I can't stomach it.
The good world building seemed great but, the Mc seemed to be a piece of trash - I don't know if he became a redeemable character but I really can't. Had to drop this one.
The joke is that older Isekai anime used to have good romance, but modern Isekai are just softcore porn that pretends to have a story
People often name their porn folders something inconspicuous so other people can't find it, that's why "Calculator" is such a massive file here, they are saying the modern Isekai is just porn
My entire experience with Re: Zero is the intrigue of how the hell is he going to solve anything.
I watched two seasons and I still need to tackle the rest.
Not exactly the same situation. IIRC the Endless 8 are all largely the same, while damn near every single loop in Re:Zero is radically different. It's closer to something like Groundhog Day, or Steins;Gate to use a different anime example. Or Summertime Render to use a more niche but also great anime example.
Yea cause he kept getting killed in absolute traumatic ways and didn't know how to beat the loop is when he loses his shit. He's no more afraid of dying as he used to he's killed himself multiple times in situations where he needed to. He changes a lot and starts loving himself way more as the series progresses. He's a perfectly normal flawed human thrown into a vicious death loop cycle and finds ways to beat it and take help of his comrade.
Because every character is a psychopath that's one bad interaction away from losing their mind and going on a rampage. It got extremely old and stale extremely quickly when Subaru Outback or w/e his name was ran into the 3452345234th person who just so happened to be willing to resort to an orgy of violence over one wrong word.
The entire show is just the same trope repeated over and over and over. He meets a new person, says or does the wrong thing, gets murdered, then it happens 435213542 more times until he finds out the exact way to BS his way through the situation, adds a new girl to his harem, and moves on to the next psychotic murderer that he has to trial-and-error his way past.
Re:zero is also the anime where my gf walked in and rolled her eyes, asking me if this is loli porn..
The characters may have depth, but the Harem fanservice is still massively there, which is weird considering that the mc really only has interest in one of them.
I was about to say the same thing as you and the other commenter!
Re:zero isn’t even that old. Old isekai that existed before that term became mainstream are Escaflowne, Monster Farm/Rancher, Fushigi Yuugi, Magic Knight Rayearth, and heck even Digimon and Inuyasha, to name a few. I’m old and watched all these. 🥲
Another isekai anime before isekai was a mainstream word and is the same-ish vibe as modern ones is Zero no Tsukaima.
The irony here is also that Mushoku Tensei is one of the first isekais in terms of source material, but it ended up getting adapted later compared to Re:Zero. And as much as MT has its perverted moments by the main character, I could probably show you ten isekais that are actually almost porn, rather than the extreme exaggeration that MT is porn.
The irony here is also that Mushoku Tensei is one of the first isekais in terms of source material
This is a common claim, but isn't correct. Its Web Novel started in November 2012, while Re:Zero's started in April of the same year. They started publishing in Light Novel form on the same day, fun fact.
I didn't say it was THE first isekai, just one of the first ones. So both Re:Zero and MT are some of the earliest isekais, but MT got adapted into an anime much later by comparison. OOP is being dumb saying that MT is a new isekai when it absolutely is not.
Even then, Isekai's in general (even just limiting it to Japanese ones) have been around for decades before either IIRC. The quote that everyone gets MT being one of the first from specifies reincarnation fantasy specifically, as opposed to many others where people are just kinda sent to new worlds as-is.
You're right that MT isn't a "new" isekai either though.
Even then it is false. Visions of Escaflowne, El Hazard and Now and Then, Here and There are all way older. If one is generous one might call MT the trendsetter for modern isekai.
I think some people didn't realise that the anime version of isekai tends to tone down the mature stuff to make sure that the anime is available for most of the audience. A lot of stuff from the light novel are either cut or just kept vague enough.
Actually I believe there is an app which disguises itself as a calculator but is actually a secure file store. The calculator interface you get when you open it serves as handy code entry screen.
The newer anime representative in question is Rudeus from Mushoku Tensei, whose source material is actually made the same year (2012) as ReZero where the old anime representative, Subaru comes from. Also Rudeus is doing the Epstein stance, with underwear on his face and a huge "Calculator" app, so the joke is that he is a hypersexual pedophile. Which is true.
Oh yeah, gallery vault which used to have a feature where you can show it as a calculator on the mains screen. And putting the password combination into it would open the vault.
Funnily enough programming circles also have a "calculator taking up too much space/memory" meme, but in an entirely different context. Namely modern apps being very unoptimized and overengineered.
Bad meme isekai rarely has good characters/plot/romance. The creator of the meme ignores that to bash mushoku tensei, which has all 3 of that, to hype up re zero which also has all 3 of that.
As a big lover of Re:Zero and someone likes MT alright, both of them have pretty shit romance IMO. Re:Zero's has such slow progress that it has become one of the most frustrating parts of the story to me. MT's has much faster progression but Sylphy is incredibly boring as a character, and Roxy is hardly much better after she marries Rudy. Eris is aight though.
Rezero is peak. It has ok amount of romance that is fine for its genre. It's good that it's not shoving romance down our throats like almost every other anime getting released.
Well, can't really argue with taste. Though it should be said that the wives cycle in theirimportance to the story, being inthe limelight and then shuffle to the background doing their own thing like being a teacher and bodyguard, only to get back to the frontrow a while later. So it's natural to find them boring sometimes.
Not Rezero's author being close friends with MT's author for over a decade, and has like gazillion below age characters in blind worship for MC like typical wish fulfilment isekais. Pot calling kettle something something
The joke is that the guy on he right, Rudeus from Mushoku Tensei, is a pedophile who hides his porn inside a fake calculator app, given how much it weighs.
As to how he is a pedo, dude is a 30 something man who spied on his niece, jerked off to her, missed his parents' funeral to do it, got beat up by his brother because of it, died, reincarnated as a baby in another world, and immediately went on to be a creep to all the women around him, and groomed all the girls his "age" he interacted with.
Na, he also groomed girls far younger than his age and even needs to be reminded of to keep a respectable boundary to his daughter later on in the Novel.
Aura Battler Dunbine, 12 Kingdoms, El-Hazard, Magic Knight Rayearth, Fushigi Yuugi, .hack//sign, Log Horizon, Kiba, Those Who Hunt Elves, Now and Then Here and There (not for the faint of heart), Kiba, Dragon Drive, Zero no Tsukaima, Brave Story, MÄR, Bakemono no Ko technically counts, Welcome to Demon Scool Iruma-kun, Tweeny Witches, Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi, Kyou Kara Maoh (if you're ok with BL), Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles, Drifters, The Devil as a Part-Timer, Uncle From Another World, Ya Boy Kaoming, Saga of Tanya the Evil, Konosuba, Re:Zero, Dr.Stone (depending on if you consider technical time travel isekai) Ascendance of a Bookworm, Demonic Michi, Isekai Izekaya Nobu, Oda Nobuna no Yabou, Tenchi Muyo War on Geminar, Outbreak Company, My Next Life as a Villainess, Tsukimichi, Reincarnated as a Sword
You can tell the majority have 'heard' of the anime, yet only the negative talking points. Most anime have at least 1 or 2 sus things if you really dive deep into them, but most ignore the awkward stuff or excuse it. The whole point of this anime is that he is a very flawed human who even at his second chance of life doesn't always choose the best route. He was anti social and a pervert in his previous life but throughout the anime you see him grow as a person and actively want to do right by those around him.
No one has to excuse his behavior.
Edit: also past anime was fucking wild lol. At least this one constantly reminds you that his behavior is flawed.
If I've learned anything from the internet, the reason we see so many "Gary/Mary Stu" MCs is some readers DESPISE characters with flaws. If you ever had a flaw, you are forever tainted and evil. Only antagonists should have them, because you have to hate them.
Protagonists are meant to be perfect and flawless. Which is just boring, and why we have so many "Hyper invincible and super competent and intelligent MCs" out there. (Which aren't inherently bad, because sometimes junk food is fun).
Like Rudeus is a flawed protagonist, who realizes he's flawed and grows as a person. That's what makes it fun. So many other series have protagonists who are the same at the start as they are in the end, except maybe now they have a lot of friends/lovers. But they're still, personality-wise, basically the same person.
Admittedly, a small part of this is also a lot of isekai are on REALLY tiny timescales when you think about it. They sometimes are only a few years long! Even some reincarnated series end up only covering them into their childhood or early teenage years before the plot resolves itself. MT actually covers Rudeus from his birth to his adulthood and beyond. Which is pretty rare for a series.
Rudeus is deeply deeply and grossly flawed, and if the writer was better, maybe he could have taken rudeues through a redemption arc. It would be a hard ask for even a very skilled author though. Unfortunately, the author just isn't that good and cannot let go of the harem and hyper sexualization aspects of the story long enough to actually make any of rudeus "growth" meaningful or satisfying. Like who cares if he acknowledges that it's bad to groom people, if in the next chapter he is rewarded for his "realization" by having the person he groomed added to his harem. Basically he acknowledges that it's bad and it's bad that he did it, then indulges in the resulting emotional manipulation anyway. Which does not show growth.
Roxy who taught Rudeus when he was 4 while she was in her 40s, fell in love with this kid(mind you, she has no knowledge that Rudeus is actually in is 30s. To
her, he's just a child), and then proceeded to take advantage of him while he was going through severe depression from his father's death.(If your morals are so fucked to the point where u don't see anything wrong with her actions, imagine a 50 year old man having sex with(raping) a devastated 16 year old girl whom he taught when she was just 4, after her dad just died, claiming it was to bring her mood back up).
She then went along with Rudeus to his house and just let her victim Rudeus do all the begging to his wife on why he cheated while she, the 50 year old adult stood there like a statue.
She then got rewarded for all her deeds by getting married to her victim Rudeus. She literally raped him and benefitted from it.(MT story rewarding characters for the most vile things as usual). This is the character you like?
I am baffled at how she doesn't get more hate. Considering the fandom, I can only assume that it's because she's a "hot loli".
Isekai barely has any good anime with the amount of it has. Also the hate for Mushoku tensei is so fucking boring and blind
I get the hate for Rudeus but the hate is so blind that the hate gets transferred to the entire anime. Goobers hate the whole show just cuz of a single character
Isn't said character the MAIN character, meaning the story follows the guy everyone is hating on, thus ruining the anime for everyone who hates that kind of character?
I'm more baffled about how it says "then" and "now", but both Novels first came out the same year, and the "now" is literally the series that popularized the genre.
Funny thing is both shows cater to the hikikomori.
While one says "it's okay you can still start again" the other says "you want to start again well you have a lot of learning to do, and you have to kill the wretched parts of your ego like your misogyny, so you could be a better person".
The meme is making reference to people hiding their porn stache under a fake calculator app (that's why it's 12 gigs in size) and the rudeus character being a pedophilic gooner.
For the record, Re: Zero novels and Mushoku Tensei novels both came out the same year. Both series are about the same age outside of the anime, which Re: Zero started about 2016 while Mushoku Tensei's anime hit about 2021.
The joke is about how people feel that Mushoku Tensei is all about a pervert reincarnating, while there was more substance in other Isekai like Re: Zero, the example used (the two characters shown are the main characters from said animes).
Anyway this is Carl out, I got a shift at the mini-mart.
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u/qualityvote2 10d ago edited 10d ago
u/Plum_Uniform, your post does belong here!