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u/FunWithBobBilby 1d ago
this definitely sounds like a real exec
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u/StockCasinoMember 1d ago
The staff showed how much they could get done in 4 days. Now they have no excuse to get more done in 5.
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u/CeruleanSovereign 1d ago
You pay for what you get. I'm worn out working 5 days so I can't get nearly as much done
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u/Wise_Monkey_Sez 1d ago
This.
Most CEOs are morons stuck in a manufacturing paradigm where they imagine that employees are doing 10 units per hour, so with more hours they must get more done!
... except most work these days is thinking work, and the more tired people get the less they get done.
As one programmer friend of mine put it, "My best programming solutions come to me on my day off."
More days off? More programming solutions. Less days off? Less programming solutions.
It isn't hard... if you're not a moron.
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u/Torontogamer 1d ago edited 1d ago
what's amazing is that they 100% get it when it comes to workers they actually see as people... fellow execs.... they get that flexibility and time off and remote work and all the rest can have a huge boost on productivity ....
but they just can't get around to thinking of the line workers as real people and professionals, they need to have the whip cracked....
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u/Eye_Acupuncture 1d ago
One woman is pregnant for nine months. It’s obvious that if nine women were pregnant, it would take only a month.
Simple.
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u/justsaynotocookies 23h ago
Maybe we can even add some extra babies in the pipeline, I mean, if you are already in the flow, should be easy!
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u/Eye_Acupuncture 22h ago
I’d also change the belly button placement… a general front-end rebuild, the old look is a bit worn out. A new API would be good too…
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u/John_Yossarian 1d ago
except most work these days is thinking work
I was actually just thinking about this as I left work today, my department cut a position and now I have inherited their workload on top of my own, and literally have no time to just think about how to optimize my tasks and make things more efficient, so I'm perpetually maintaining/reacting instead of proactively improving. My boss justified the cut position by saying our team is a "well-oiled machine", but basically took away the workload buffer that allowed us to oil the damn machine in the first place. This will be an interesting year.
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u/Wise_Monkey_Sez 10h ago
I worked with Toyota a bit and even for heavy machinery they have scheduled downtime - if I recall correctly it's about 20% of the machine's operating time is "preventative maintenance", and they found that this prevents machines actually breaking which saves a ton of money.
In human resource management textbooks they recommend humans run at no more than 60% to 70% of "capacity" for entirely the same reason. When someone has had enough and quits mid-project it costs a lot more than just giving people a reasonable workload in the first place.
Sadly most CEOs are too dumb to read.
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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 1d ago
Most CEOs are
moronsbiblically manipulative sociopaths that feign emotions just enough to come off like an everyman so that you, incorrectly, perceive it as stupidity, and who are
stuck in a manufacturing paradigm where they imagine that employees are doing 10 units per hour, so with more hours they must get more done!
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u/dopamin778 1d ago
The thing here is most ceos will Tell you they work 16-18h a day.
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u/BennyVsTheWorld 22h ago
They count their transportation time. They count their meals. They could their smoke breaks if they’re in the vicinity of their office. They count any thing if they’re think about work for even one second. They are not working that many hours any day.
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u/BleapDev 1d ago
As a programmer, I agree. In a meeting, I recently uttered the line, "Can we revisit that problem we identified yesterday? I was running last night and I came up with a really clever solution"
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u/PhatCatTax 1d ago
Now try being at a place where your manager pings you when you're "inactive" for more than 5 minutes. Like bro, I'm literally thinking and every time you ping me, I have to restart my thinking.
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u/wvj 22h ago
Acting like the bottleneck to output on code is how fast and long people type is just bugfuck insane.
I had one of these just this week, where I just spent a few minutes talking through a problem with someone, and it occurred to me that we had a pretty easy way to do it. The implementation was maybe an hour of work, and the vast majority of that was testing. The actual code took like 5 minutes to type.
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u/justacheesyguy 1d ago
I don’t currently code, but when I did I used to regularly come up with the solution to things that I had been struggling with in my sleep. I would literally wake up and know how to do the thing that I had been trying to figure out.
Try putting that on a time sheet.
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u/sobrique 1d ago
Any time there's a linear correlation between 'hours worked' and 'productive output' you've a job you should have automated already.
(And most jobs where humans 'add value' are not like that, although I'll grant increasing numbers of employers are hiring 'meat robots' because they're cheaper than the metal kind)
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u/Real_Board_9313 1d ago
Exactly. I'm an aerospace engineer. My best ideas usually come on days off or vacation. My brain is too busy trying to multitask through a million things on work days to be creative or innovative.
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u/ideologyunderstander 23h ago
I'm a chef and I think of most of my best menu ideas when I'm off. It sucks because I'm working for free for bosses I hate but I can't stop myself because i like making good food u_u
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u/Paghk_the_Stupendous 1d ago
The "excuse" is the actual research shown in the initial post. 5 days is less productive than 4, and they already know that.
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u/Vacrian 1d ago
Without exaggeration, this is exactly what my company did. We had a wildly successful pilot, almost every metric improved and those that didn’t remained steady and at the end of the planned pilot period the CEO elected not to continue the policy because, and I quote, “I don’t like the idea of paying people for hours they’re not working”
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u/FlyingWhale44 21h ago
People can be so dumb.
You aren't paying for their time, you are paying for their productivity.
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u/BellacosePlayer 1d ago
I love my employer on most things but they're super hard assed about WFH for similar reasons
The only reason I get to do it is because I worked on their system as a contractor and they really really wanted to snap me up when they heard I was leaving my previous employer
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u/zeprfrew 19h ago
I've yet to find a CEO who doesn't resent paying people for the hours that they are working.
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u/sobrique 1d ago
One of the companies I worked for did a proper study into the productivity of a second monitor.
They proved indisputably that just giving every employee 2 monitors was +20%.
And given the 'cost' of an employee for a year, it paid for itself in ... well, not very long really. Even with REALLY NICE monitors.
And then didn't do that, because it was too much capital cost.
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u/adalric_brandl 23h ago
Of course it was. Line must go up now.
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u/DubiousBrushwagg 22h ago
"Fuck the future, that's the next CEOs problem once I get my Golden Parachute"
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u/Mr_Blinky 21h ago
And then didn't do that, because it was too much capital cost.
And how much did they pay to conduct the study they immediately threw out the results of, I wonder?
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u/Mountain-Discount161 1d ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and say "inhuman resources" is satire
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u/Etherbeard 22h ago
It doesn't even have to be some big company either. This is just how bosses think.
I used to frame houses for a small outfit that often had only half a dozen employees and never more than twice that, and a lot of the other guys would occasionally float the idea of working four tens and having a three day weekend. I'd always talk them down by pointing out that the boss was frequently trying to weasel us in to coming in on Saturday as it is, and those four tens are going to turn in to five tens and it's going to be a battle to get back to normal hours.
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u/xd366 1d ago
fanfic from someone who hasnt worked 4 day workweeks to realize you still work 40 hours
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u/scroom38 22h ago
A lot of 4 day workweek models are 32 hour full time weeks. These models still show massive improvements to productivity and corporate profits.
When the US lowered our work week to 40 hours, the prevailing opinion was that continued technological advancements would mean by 2000 our work week would be 20-30 hours
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u/UngodlyPain 21h ago
Most of these studies are actually not about 40 hour work weeks but 32 hour work weeks, but even those that have done 4x10s have still shown improvement on both the employer and employees side.
4x8=32 is better than 4x10=40 is better than 5x8=40
Productivity just drops over time, both in a single day, and over the course of a week... Some studies have even shown further efficiency increases from even lower working hours, though at that point it usually becomes an issue of not getting enough work done overall even if it is more efficient, and hurts company efficiency to some extent as it has to hire more to cover the total gap.
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u/Fancy_Evening9509 1d ago
I own a food packaging manufacturing plant. We started running 4 day work weeks in 2013. We moved from 8 hour shifts to 10 hour shifts so everyone could still hit their 40 hours. Not only do employees like it better. But productivity is actually better than the 5 day 8 hour shifts.
Prior to the change we used to have to shut the machines down during shift changeover. Multiple shutdown and startups often lead to waste and inefficiencies. You also ran the chance of machine errors and troubleshooting issues that would require maintenance to come out.
With the 4 day workweek and 10 hour shifts you have a 2 hour shift layover. So we no longer have to shut machines down, employees are able to do their pre shift duties while the other shift is operating machines. Now the machines run 24 hours during those 4 days. The amount of money saved from being more efficient with raw materials and maintenence costs was substantial. So much so that we were able to go from paying 50% of employee health premiums to 60%, and increase employee pay in general.
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u/tshwashere 1d ago
Awesome, sounds like a resounding success!
So obviously the next course of action is to cancel it and to go back to 5 days right?
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u/Fancy_Evening9509 1d ago
Pandora is out of the box now, she ain't going back in. Plus I still work Fridays and I like the peace and quiet along with not having to deal with people at least one day. But when necessity requires a Friday production run everybody lines up to work that shift since their getting overtime pay that day.
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u/Urbanexploration2021 1d ago
Not trying to offend or anything, but Pandora was the one who basically owned the box. She can't go back in :))
The story was basically that she was given a box from the gods full of all sort of evil shit. She opened and cursed the world.
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u/Yontevnknow 1d ago
I mean, what else are you supposed to do with it?
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u/sourbeer51 1d ago
Step 1. Cut a hole in the box
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u/YearCrazy5324 1d ago
Step 2, put your Junk in the Box
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u/Urbanexploration2021 1d ago
Honestly, just put it on a shelf and forget about it. Maybe use it as the leg of a desk or something lol
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u/Reasonable_Oil1226 1d ago
Dude, you show a stunning lack of imagination concerning the stupid shit managers are capable of. Never underestimate humans capacity to screw up a good thing!
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u/CookieMiester 23h ago
That’s a hilarious way to put it, pandora is out of the box and she aint going back in
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u/Dopplegangr1 1d ago
No now you take your success and cash out to private equity, then they milk it for everything they can before it collapses
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u/ForeignCup6977 1d ago
This is definitely how to do it. I once worked a job where the shifts were 12 hours, 2 shifts. So, every 12 hours full stop, go do your handovers, restart.
We convinced our supervisors to let us work 9 hours shifts, 3 shifts instead. Not only could we now do handovers in place with an hour of overlap between shifts we no longer had to shut down operations to do it.
Best 15 months on that job after that.
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u/Mimical 22h ago
We ran a modified version of this and it worked super clean. We had two 10 hour shifts and a "bridge" 8 hour shift to cover the 4 hour gap with 2h overlaps on each side. Every 2 of 3 weeks you had a 3 day weekend.
Naturally we ended it a year after that resulting in immediate performance and moral impacts. Can't have workers with a consistent and predictable life schedule.
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u/Lothium 1d ago
This is the takeaway.
Happier employees result in better productivity and workplace atmosphere.
Getting almost two months of additional time off without losing pay is one of the best things. I don't know of anyone that gets a four day that actually thinks it's worse than a 5 day week.
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u/Bluesy21 18h ago
Raises Hand
I don't really enjoy 4x10 vs. 5x8. I work on a NOC and rotate shifts most weeks. Although, we have a dedicated overnight guy so that helps. Just throwing that tidbit out there as perhaps if my sleep schedule was better and more consistent, maybe my 4x10s wouldn't be so miserable. I find the 10 hour days so draining that I get nothing done after work and by the end of the 4 days I'm so tired I basically waste the entire extra day sleeping.
I also just seem to do better with a more consistent schedule where I know I've got that 1-2 hours most days to get something done. Laundry, cleaning something, workout, yardwork, other projects, etc - none of these things get done when I'm working 10 hour days.
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u/margittwen 1d ago
Love that you tried something different. You are truly the exception though. I feel like corporations see any compromise with employees as a bad thing and so this is never going to fly with dumb capitalists. Or at least not any time soon.
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u/AltruisticPossible84 1d ago
I do 4x10s for 2 months out of the year. The first 2 weeks are fine. I start hating it after that.
Literally only have time to come home and go to sleep. That 'extra' day is simply a recovery day to catch up on all the shit im forced to neglect for 4 days straight. I dont think 4x10s should be the goal, i think we should make 4x8s the goal
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u/Real_Board_9313 1d ago
That's why real 4 day work weeks are supposed to still be 8 hour days. Not just add hours to keep 40. He'll, you could work a 2 40 (2 20 hour days) but who tf wants that.
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u/sou_cool 1d ago
I worked full time with a single 35 hour shift at some point in my life (8am saturday to 7pm Sunday).
I loved it but I was expected to be able to sleep at work Saturday night.
Having 5 days off every week was incredible and, in my head, I was working one day a week (on a day called the weekend).
Did not pay well but I still miss having that much schedule freedom.
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u/Mokiro54 1d ago
Can I ask a few questions? Because I worked 4x10 as well at one point and it felt like I had more time to be on top of things.
Is your job a more physical demanding job or mentally demanding job?
How much do you sleep? Im usually a 6 hour person, 8 if I'm actually tired when I go to sleep lol.
Do you spend a lot of time like cooking meals for dinners and stuff? I'm more like the "throw together a sandwich and get back go my hobbies" type.
Did have a long commute? (Probably the biggie, my job was 15 minutes awaY)
So yeah my third off day was usually a week day, so I'd use that time to bulk up chores, errands, and adult responsibilities, and then the other 2 days off would be nothing but personal recreation time.
Basically, since I was someone who didn't need much sleep to feel functional, and don't care enough about food to spend a lot of time on it, I felt like I still had time to spend on my hobbies on those evenings.
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u/DeleteFascists 22h ago
Yea, cutting a day but moving those hours to pad out the other days is not what this is supposed to be about and while I'm glad it worked for that dude I'd like if we don't tout that as some major success to push towards
The entire point of the 4 day work week is to cut the wasted time spent looking busy. Spending more time at work in a shift and being more tired and burnt out isn't cutting wasted time.
Maybe for a factory with lost machine time during shift swaps, but they could change how they swap shifts and not make people work longer days. The next shift just has to come in earlier, it isn't rocket science.
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u/Count_Backwards 23h ago
we were able to go from paying 50% of employee health premiums to 60%, and increase employee pay in general
Wait, you changed the way you operate, improved efficiency, and passed that benefit on to the employees? Why do you hate capitalism? What about shareholder value???
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u/Starthreads 22h ago
You are describing corporatism, which is that corrupted husk that American capitalism was supposed to be that has since taken control.
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u/Chemengineer_DB 23h ago
This is capitalism in action. More efficient, more productive, more profit for shareholders.
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u/Soft-Celebration3369 1d ago
Now imagine how much work they can get done in 5 days 10 hours shift
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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 23h ago
I just want to point out that a 4 day workweek should not be 40 hours. The idea is that 40 hours is too many hours of work. Which it is.
A 32 hour week is more than plenty. An employer doesnt need to own more than 32 hours of your time a week. Honestly thwy shouldnt need more than 20
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u/piesforall 1d ago
I work full time over four days with Wednesday as my nwd. I've done this for the past nine years. Wouldn't go back to five days even with a significant pay raise.
One thing I've noticed is that I almost never take a sick day. I mostly work from home, which makes it easier to work when I'm under the weather. More importantly, I only ever work two days in a row. This means that I'm much more likely to power through. Unless I'm too ill to switch on a laptop, I'm working.
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u/MistahJasonPortman 1d ago
I guess that’s a start but 4 days, 8 hr shifts would be superior
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u/useful_tool30 1d ago
Hey, as long as everyone gets a 25% pay raise right? Right!?
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u/whensthebeef 1d ago
Best I can do is 3% for the people I like
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u/Viskalon 1d ago
...and a 25% bonus for themselves for "increased productivity".
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u/MyriadSC 1d ago
As nerdy as this will make me sound, its a real phenomenon in more than just work. I followed the Starcraft professional scene for a while. In Korea team houses would make them play a mandatory amount, and it was extreme. I cant recall exactly but it was like 10 hours a day with at least 6 of it being intense deliberate practice. Or something along those lines, with 1 day a week off. But then a few independent players managed to do well, then a few teams had much less playtime required, and the players actually performed better. So over time these team managers discovered that less than half of that as required time ended up being the most productive. Turns out forcing consistent exhaustion isn't effective. Who would have thought...
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u/405freeway 1d ago
Wait people perform better when they're well-rested?
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u/MyriadSC 1d ago
Its truly baffling right?
Related, turns out that the economy also flourishes more when the bottom brackets do the best. Who would have thought spending power would help an economy? But nah, minimum wages and unions destroy an economy, right?
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u/PinsToTheHeart 22h ago
A significantly number of high school coaches believe that a good practice means shoving as much training volume as possible into the 2 hours they have.
Then when kids are sluggish during competition it's clearly because they didn't try hard enough in the conditioning and certainly nothing to do with the fact that they've been run into the ground.
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u/Competitive-Zone-330 21h ago
So this is something kind of similar but way different. Before 2024, statistically the Indiana Hoosiers were the worst Power 4 football team of all time. Since they hired Curt Cignetti, they’ve went 11-2, 16-0 National Champions, and currently are 4-0. So over 2 years and some change they’re a combined 31-2 and won their first National Championship. It was revealed that Coach Cig made the practices shorter and doesn’t even utilize all the available days and hours they have. I’m talking a combined hour and a half a day, for around 4 days a week, sometimes 5. To put how crazy that is into perspective, when Jim Harbaugh took over for Michigan 2013, he was a strong believer in longer practices, six hours per player per day, broken up into 2 seperate blocks a day. It took him until 2021 to win his conference and 2023 to win a national championship.
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u/Dapper_Rough4371 1d ago edited 1d ago
This satirical tweet makes me so angry.
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u/ScroogeMcDuckFace2 1d ago
that's when you know satire and reality are too closely aligned for it to be good for us
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u/scroom38 21h ago edited 16h ago
When Henry Ford implemented higher overall pay and 40 hour work weeks (lower working hours than normal at the time) in his factories, productivity and product quality spiked so incredibly high other auto manufacturers sued him for unfair business practices. When they lost the lawsuit other CEOs were forced (kicking and screaming the whole time) to treat their employees better.
It's not even about running a good business for most of them. They're just stupid greedy assholes.
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u/send420nudes 1d ago
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u/PrettyLavenderr 1d ago
This is exactly the kind of logic that makes people stop trusting management.
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u/illbeyourdrunkle 1d ago
This happened at the plant i work at. We used to do 4 10 hour shifts. It was a coveted job. Then they called mandatory over time for 6 months to catch up on production. As they burned out too many people they cut us to 5 9 hour days a week. Turnover continues to sky rocket
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u/kikkomanche 22h ago
They did the same at my plant. When I got hired it was Mon-Thu 7am-6pm (15 minute break and 45 minute lunch deducted from hours)
We now have 5 days 7am-5pm so everyone is forced to do overtime in addition to some mandatory weekends. They hire about 12 new temps a week.
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u/Dependent_Lime3262 22h ago
Let me be 100% honest I really thought that was a real message unironic stupidity in real time until I saw the name and realize it was satire
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u/South_Ad_7068 1d ago
*walking into bosses office the Friday morning after ending 4 day weeks
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u/Appropriate_Ice_7507 1d ago
That’s me after being remote 100% now 75% back to office. I do half the work now. My coworkers are doing even less lol sucker!
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u/Constant_Pen9615 1d ago
I hate in office days. Even if you try to work it's just treated like social hour by everyone else and it's so distracting. Now I treat it as social hour too. Community and collaboration as leadership likes to say.
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u/Ode1st 1d ago
I’m thankfully remote still, but the times I have to go to the office, it’s a wasted day and most of us factor it in as a wasted day that we’ll have to catch up on the following at home day.
Not only is it a wasted day, but the office sucks. I don’t have my standing desk, therapeutic chair, and workspace setup, my own coffee setup, my own bathroom, etc.
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u/KingAudio 1d ago
Why not make it 6? Fuck even 7? Why need days off when they can work harder and be even more productive!!
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u/m4nuuuu 1d ago
i can stretch two days of work into five
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u/Responsible-Shoe8831 1d ago
This right here.
Why the hell am I forced to sit in a chair for several hours a week when I’ve completed all my tasks already?
Heaven forbid we get anything other than more work for performing well though, so I have to sit there and be bored…for hours.
It’s stupid.
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u/m4nuuuu 1d ago
Depends on the work you have to do, but for salary men the metric usually is time and for employer is product. If you want a PS5 usually we calculate how much paying hours you need to put buy it and a company how much product it need to sell for the same goal. So for me the better scenario is charging the most hours for the less work done and for the company is paying me the less hours possible and exploit me the max it can for all that little time.
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u/Responsible-Shoe8831 1d ago
You best believe if I’m slotted 40 hours to complete a task, it’s going to take me 40 hours to mark it complete, whether or not it takes me 15 hours to do it.
It may seem dishonest, but if I’m rewarded with more work for being more efficient than the guy next to me who makes the same amount of money, that’s what they signed up for.
It’s still stupid.
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u/m4nuuuu 1d ago
Agree and i think is a cultural thing, in America working efficiently is rewarded with more work and if you work overtime is cheered on.
I cant vouch for it but somewhere i read that in some countries like Germany if you have 5 hours to complete a task and make it in 3 they reward your diligence with perks like extra vacation time and if you make extra hours is frown upon because it means that you cant finish your work on time.
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u/Responsible-Shoe8831 1d ago
As a worker bee in the US, I’ve learned that those that work hardest do the most work but we all get paid the same.
If someone wants to take credit for what I do and then expect me to “pick up the pace” they can kindly find someone else to cover their rear.
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u/m4nuuuu 1d ago
Also you need to lower your efficiency to the average or your coworkers add their inadequacy to your workload
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u/ResplendentNugs 1d ago
I know this is rage bait but I hate how he explains why four works better then says imagine what we can do in five. Like no that’s not how it works
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u/ShawnyMcKnight 1d ago
It was a troll that clearly worked on you.
I think the logic was that they were clearly holding back how hard they can work.
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u/BurnieTheBrony 1d ago
"inhuman resources"
Ah yes, a very serious real business account that doesn't tell jokes
It looks like their prof pic may even be Toby from The Office lol
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u/Kittens_of_Death 20h ago
On one hand, this is clearly fake.
On the other hand, I wouldn't be suprised if actual management thought like this
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u/msmall92 19h ago
This is a parody account, but the joke is based on things that really happened.
In the last few years, some studies came out proving that productivity actually goes up when you give employees 4-day workweeks and the option to work from home in some form or another, and all of the companies that wanted the data from these studies completely ignored the findings.
I’ve read lots of folks’ theories about why companies refuse to switch to 4-day WW, but I truly don’t understand why they wouldn’t if productivity goes up and their operating costs like electricity, etc. would go down.
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u/MorganWick 19h ago
It is really hard to get execs to give up on the mindset of "more hours worked = more work done".
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u/msmall92 19h ago
Yeah, you’d just hope that those guys who love their stats, spreadsheets, graphs, etc., would look at the numbers that say “you can spend less and get happier employees whom are more productive,” and they’d wanna do it.
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u/Jor94 1d ago
I had a heavy laugh but that is sadly how these morons think. Even if it got implemented, they'd have it for a while and then a new manager would come in and do a presentation about his bold and innovative ideas including going to 5 days.
It's like if you were running a 1km race and someone on the sidelines with no knowledge of how they work pointed to the guys doing 100m races and had the bright idea to make everyone do the 1km at the same pace. If you can do 100m in 9 seconds then you can do 1km in 90 if just do the same, not taking into account any other factors like you get tired quicker and end up slower overall.
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u/dollop_of_curious 13h ago
Should I upvote bc op is pointing out an obvious problem with corporate, or down vote bc the quoted corporate sucks...
What is customary? Help out a lurker dipping their toes...
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u/Shot-Arugula8264 1d ago
I know a couple of people working in hedge funds in NY where Sunday is legitimately considered a normal work day and everyone is expected to be there in person. Like, they have an official 6 day work week.
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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 1d ago
Reminds me of “Schindler’s List”.
They timed one of the workers to see how long it took him to make a hinge. He got it done extremely fast. They then immediately asked him “If you can make one of these in 1 minute, why are you only making 150 per day?”
(Numbers made up because I can’t remember the specifics, but the point stands).
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u/531091qazs 1d ago
LOL i get what you mean with the example, but using shindlers list to get the point is actually killing me, because the reason for why he was working slow isn't really... normal circumstances if you will
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u/Neat-Brother-6570 1d ago
Yes always remember. FUCK the worker. If they weren’t meant to be sheared, why are they sheep?
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u/Slow-Homework-7840 19h ago
Corporate fat cats don’t care about morale or what makes their employees happy. It’s all just a money game to them. Employees are just numbers.
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u/chickenologist 18h ago
The point here is that the numbers go up by investing in time off rather than by being a slave driver, but that culture and "intuition" beat out numbers that violate expectations
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u/peaceful_pancakes 1d ago
This is why I refuse to do more than 8 hours work a week.
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u/jabola321 1d ago
Just like the return to office mandates. There is no benefit to them, just the corporate illusion of control.
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u/RomanSeraphim 1d ago
The forced 4 day work week at my job during covid + all that stimulus money was incredible
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u/gummytoejam 22h ago
You can't have 4 day work weeks, because that would give you 8 full hours to interact with your government during government business hours.....can't have that.
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u/cenajohn123 23h ago
There's no way you're fucking stupid enough to think this was a real tweet.. right?
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u/Sutekhseth 23h ago
Meanwhile my old manufacturing company got rid of our overnight team because people were done with their work and using the downtime to sleep. They'd have rather cut 1/3 of their production line (which worked on mistakes team 1 and 2 made, while also getting their own stuff done on their own time) just so they didn't have to have a manager change their sleeping schedule or hire a new manager for nights. To be clear, overnight was completing their work + fixing the mistakes of 2 other teams, and had enough downtime to rest and ensure they're not overworked like team 1 and 2 were. They met all goals.
After dismantling the 3rd shift they then started to wonder why they have so much rework and failed QA's now, and why our shipment schedules were so tight now. HR and MBA middle management dorks are the worst planners. They only look their spreadsheets instead of using their brain.
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u/Otherwise-4PM 1d ago
Turnover dropped???
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u/Playgirl_USMC 1d ago
Turnover as in hiring new employees and they leave. Not dropping the delicious pastries
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u/thirteenth_mang 1d ago
I once dropped my apple turnover but because of the five second rule I was able to pick it up and finish eating it.
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u/MetaPhalanges 1d ago
One of the worst cases of negligence that I've ever seen. The Medical Examiner puked. They never do that.
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u/Own-Raisin5849 1d ago
I kind of wonder how this works on a psychological level, I know in my 18 years working IT, people definitely take it easy on Friday, even I do to some degree if the day allows it. I would wonder if people would slack more on Thursdays or if it would be about the same from a productivity standpoint?
If people are anything like me, I like to front load any work or projects I have at the start of the week, and try to take it a little easier on Thursday and Friday, but I have no idea.
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u/glassfunion 1d ago
I work in an office with a 4 day work week (8 hour days) and I feel like there's some slack on Thursday afternoons, but it's not quite as bad as it would be on a Friday because we're not as burnt out.
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u/EccentricFeather 1d ago
On a psychological level, I think united we stand divided we fall and the slave owners are united and everyone else is divided because you’re all so worried about pleasing the slave owners for constellation prizes
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u/Crash324 1d ago
What is a constellation prize? Is that like when you have a star named after someone and get them a certificate as a gift?
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u/matthollabak 1d ago
I worked in IT for about 5 years running a help desk that did weird floating days but also with Saturdays needing covered you also got to float an extra day off on your Saturday week. So with 4x10hr weeks and the floating day off it was amazing. not apples to apples here but i still had some down time working 4x10 but no day really ever felt like slack off Friday because of onever getting to that last day and being mentally drained. Having people who are willing to work together on a schedule I will admit was a big part of why it worked though.
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u/Tricky_Big_8774 1d ago
If we went to a 4 day work week, people would definitely start slacking on Thursday.
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u/IraceRN 1d ago
I'm a nurse and work three twelves, random schedule, overtime days, so sometimes four to five days a week, but there is no slacking, so I think this is a misnomer.
If the job pays $50k, people are going to put $50k of work in four days or five days. OOP could squeeze their workers to get five days of work in three days, but there would be more burnout, higher turnover, and no one is working harder for the same $50k, so he is just being delusional. His experiment isn't a reflection of the capacity of his team; it is a reflection of how they are compensated for the work they do.
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u/gr4n0t4 1d ago
If I read one more time 4 days 10 hours week, I'll lose it, no, that is not a 4 days week. 4 days 7'5/8h. That is a 4 day week.
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u/colonelcack 1d ago
Jesus I'm so tired of the 4x10 comments. Nobody wants to sit at their desk for a couple extra hours a day doing basically nothing just to satisfy some arbitrary total that doesn't have anything to do with productivity
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u/Aniketos000 1d ago
Id give you more than one upvote if i could. My back hurts before im done with 8h, doing 10h is so much worse.
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u/PolecatXOXO 22h ago
Around 2008 this was an article in some management magazine. I was managing about 200 engineers at the time on a project, and being in a remote location, thought...why the hell not?
Same results as above. Happier workers, milestones were still hit like clockwork without near as much BS or excuses. The results did speak for themselves, there was no way to re-interpret it after we ran this way for about a month. Initially I thought I'd try it for two weeks, but the results were just that good. Funny thing was, they were even staying later to make sure they finished things (with no prompting), so really work hours didn't drop that much.
My assistant manager decided that just wouldn't do, went crying to our Turkish overlords...and it was promptly killed. One of the things that led me to getting laid off a few months later.
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u/Navyvetpdx503 13h ago
I did 4 10s at Albertsons warehouse after college. Got Friday Saturday and Sunday off. The work sucked but 3 day weekend was great. Esspecially working 4pm -2am. Some day we got done early to make last call at the bar.
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u/THEBADW0LFE 1d ago
I feel like wanting to be a CEO in this day and age should be a red flag. Its like admitting you want to screw over the public to fund your own selfish desires. Absolute cunt behavior.
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u/DopamineSavant 1d ago
I'd voluntarily stay late to get 5 days done in 4 days for an extra off day, but that would immediately stop once the extra off day was removed. The same way most people at my current job stopped going above and beyond after RTO.
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u/vitaoptima 1d ago
That's not how that works, HR lol Give us 5 days and we'll do it in 5 again...
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u/delolia 1d ago
That's a cheat code. After that you can go back to 4 days, they will do the same and so you can go back to five with again 25% more workload... and go back to 4 days... infinite workload.
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u/Defcon2pee 14h ago
The differentiating factor is 'HAPPINESS' which many corporates know nothing of
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u/colojason 1d ago
The problem is that when the employees think about a 4 day week they’re imagining their normal 8-5.
Execs want it to be the same 40 hours just shunted into 4 days.
10 hours of work.
1 hour lunch.
2 hour daily commute.
Fuck that. I’m not doing that.
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u/frodobangher 23h ago
4 days with 10 hrs day is way better than the 9-5 5 times a week. Im speaking from experience, those 2 hours you dont feel ot at all
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u/PhoenixApok 22h ago
Hard agree. Once you get about 2 weeks into it, you dont feel that 2 hours at ALL, but you never stop appreciating the extra day off.
I personally love 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, 2 off. Been doing that for months and its great.
Only 2 days a week do you get off and have to work the next day.
I am going back to a 5 day work week next week (new job) and though excited about the job, dreading the schedule a LOT
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u/Timeless_Tactics 22h ago
Most people dont make use of those 2 hours everyday anyways. Its spent scrolling or recovering from work.
Given all those hours together as a day off, they become way more useful and productive.
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u/AmazingDonkey101 1d ago
Jokes on them. I actually work (get work done) only 2-3h of the 8h day. Remainder I scroll Reddit and instagram and read news. I could get the same results in 3-4 days being efficient.
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u/cjo20 23h ago
There's a growing body of evidence that four 8-5 days with the same monthly pay is more productive than five 8-5 days (or four 10-hour days)
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u/PolecatXOXO 22h ago
I tried it as a studio manager on a game project. Thought I'd just give it a go for 2 weeks to see how it went (all employees were on salary, regular 8:30 to 4:30 was maintained).
After 2 weeks, the results spoke for themselves. People were happier. Milestones were being hit like clockwork. Productivity was certainly up by every metric. I just let it keep going. Then HQ stepped in and ended it, thinking I was completely crazy.
I showed them the results. They did not care. At all. They paid for bodies to be in seats five days a week and that's what they're gonna have.
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u/couldbemage 21h ago
This reminds me that the only place I've worked that was more interested in results than playing dominance games like that was organized crime adjacent.
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u/The_Hoopla 1d ago
The thing is, for most salaried work, the 40 hours a week isnt time worked, it’s availability.
I can tell you from experience that most of my “work” every week happens in a 2 hour bubble on one day I don’t have a meeting that should have been an email.
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u/TheBSQ 22h ago
Yeah, at this point in my career my hours are more like my availability.
Sometimes I’m very much needed and I work a ton.
Sometimes I don’t have much to do at all.
Sometimes it’s foreseeable, sometimes it’s not.
It’s not that I have 40 hours of work to do. Sometimes it’s less. On rare occasions it’s actually more and I do stuff on nights and weekends.
But, should I be needed I’m expected to be available for those 40 hours.
Actually given quite a bit of freedom to go to appointments or do errands or do the kid’s school pick-up/drop-off because my boss knows I always handle everything, but it’s also known that if an important thing pops up, it’ll get my full & immediate focus.
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u/ragingfirebush 1d ago
Personally I love 4 10hours. Ive worked every type or shift hour breakdown you can think of and the 4 10 hour shifts is by far the best balance for work/life balance. At least for me.
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u/Nobody_Cares_99 1d ago edited 1d ago
So are people reading a humourous tweet from the “inhuman resources” twitter account and thinking they’re smart for pointing out it’s fake…?
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u/Gavacho123 1d ago
Imagine being this damn stupid.
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u/GodeGreier 1d ago
Getting this worked up over a joke? It's a sight to behold for sure.
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