r/classicwow • u/flaw_greg • 5d ago
Forever Beta Feedback I enjoyed first week of beta very much, maybe a little too much...
So i've leveled all classes to current level cap on PVE server - I'm a hardcore enjoyer so don't feel a need to participate in PVP. I had lots of fun leveling and can't wait for Blizzard to raise level cap to 30. I've checked all classes and specs out and can provide some feedback if You're still hesitating on what to play.
My personal LEVELING/ENJOYMENT (noPVP) tierlist of classes right now for this level cap:
S+: Hunter (best class hands down due to pet)
S: Warlock (very strong class when You relise spirit is king)
A: Shaman(decent overall unless You play ele) / Paladin (yes, You can almost 1 shot most mobs, but feels clunky when fighting 3-4 mobs)
B: Mage (has potential to be A, because new scrolls look VERY interesting, especially "Cryoblast")
C: Rogue (felt bad early, decent later, nothing exciting or new about this class) / Priest(strong, could be A, but PWS +wand playstyle too boring, so C)
D: Warrior ( needs some help with rage gen, yes You can solo dung as prot, but You need giga gear. no gear=nofun)
E: Druid (currently worst feeling class in the game - sad but true, needs miracle on almost every aspect, resto feels decent)
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u/Top_Inflation2026 5d ago
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u/SirVanyel 5d ago
Bro must have hit the game for like 12h a day. Wild
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u/Top_Inflation2026 5d ago
How do people play that long without getting raging headaches and a lot of sweaty ass?
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u/BroccoliMedical4521 5d ago
Accustomed to it I guess. I used to, but now after two hours I need a mental reset.
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u/Newmidgardian 5d ago
At the time of classic I was 16 hours without stopping, I forgot to send and drink, I would say good times, but also I was unemployed š¤£š¤£
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u/RobiePAX 5d ago
My lifetime record was 25h straight playing (grinding) Mu Online. Good old times before the work, wife and responsibilities :D
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u/idothisforpie 5d ago
Imagine playing so much that even Reddit thinks you're ridiculous
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u/Tulum702 5d ago
Reddits philosophy has always been.
More than me = addict/unemployed needs to go out touch grass
Less than me = filthy casual
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u/MourningsOwn 5d ago
I mean this is literally playing so much you don't sleep, so... It's not really like what you're describing lol.
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u/AnonBB21 5d ago
Nah, this is a level above.
It's one thing to just have one early Tier 3 Naxx kitted character, you can do that on way less hours once you actually reach 60 if you have a solid guild.
It's another to basically be playing WoW more than a full time job. He's playing it like two full time jobs considering beta has only been out for 2 weeks lol
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u/dennisamsterdam 5d ago
damn where do you find the time
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u/Cartiere11 5d ago
Either no job or WFH job.
Certainly no gf
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u/Perfect-Currency-121 5d ago
Or a gf who levels for him
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u/Cartiere11 5d ago
You dont want those type of GF bubba
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u/Fuzzy_Reputation9747 5d ago
When u dont have a job or studies u can a lot of free time
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u/imisstheyoop 5d ago
Not really. You need essentially no life whatsoever to accomplish this. We're looking at 14+ hours of WoW/day for 7+ days.
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u/drifter91 5d ago
Leveling is pretty damn fast on the beta because of dungeon exp. If you chain dungeons together it will take you from 14-20 with almost no quests in between. Level 14 you can do in 4 hours or so, then you just need to pick up the dungeon quests and finish 3 dungeons.
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u/mullemeck96 5d ago
Havnt played beta, but i guess 4hr is powerleveling and not doing professions. Also finding groups and going to all Dungeons prob takes 4hrs. So 74hrs to level all this. And then he prob not exploring or doing professions. Id say thats a lot of playing.
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u/werkwerk_ 5d ago
So like no job? No family? š¤£š¤£ this is crazy
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u/Top_Inflation2026 5d ago
He may respond in a week when he takes another poop break
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u/plznobanplease 5d ago
Assuming he turbo speed ran each toon and hit 20 in 8-10hrs, itās a minimum of 72 hrs played over the week for 9 lvl 20s lol.
Unless 1-20 is just that much faster on Forever
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u/San4311 5d ago
Pretty sure its technically slightly slower (but only by as much as a rounding error, i.e. caused by them recreating the same level speed by adjusting rewards from incorporating new quests and changing dungeon xp).
So yes, vanilla level speed.*
*there's some ''speedrun'' method of doing all dungeons for the quest xp, even the ones not in your path like Undercity as Alliance, but I don't think many people will end up doing this in reality, especially on the live game without a lv20 cap.
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u/triisi 5d ago
Its not faster at all. I believe they said in the new podcast that 18hrs average time from 1-20 according to data
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u/HobNob_Pack 5d ago
How can people not realise its skewed by the massive amounts of people who have never played and are just running around exploring.
You can skip 6 - 8 full levels with dungeon quests.
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u/Finner669 5d ago
I did not play beta coz I am too scared losing fun for release. Anyone else?
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u/_Not_A_Vampire_ 5d ago
Same thing here, I tried the skyborne starting zone and that's about it, just waiting for release now.
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u/bro_salad 5d ago
Same. And Iām glad I did. Iāll be making a night elf Druid instead. Better vibes in Teldrassil.
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u/BarbsFPV 5d ago
Same. I just played the class I planned on maining through the Skyborne zone and gave my feedback, and now at 20 Iām just tooling around the barrens admiring the views and sitting by campfires. Havenāt even run any dungeons so those will be new still.
Itās kinda fun when you just exist in the game with no goals or to-do lists, just running around and enjoying it.
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u/Captains_Parrot 5d ago
I have played the beta but also feel the same as you.
I played a skyborn warrior to 14, which is a class and race I'll never play. Made a tauren, which I always play, to check out plainsrunning. Did a run to Org at level 1 to see the sights and won't touch the beta again.
I'm avoiding anything with big spoilers, not looking at anything data mined. I've still got 16 days off from work to use this year so going to use 5 of them at launch so I can read all the quests, explore all the map and still be at the same level as my friends to do dungeons with.
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u/Terrible-Reach-85 5d ago
I did not play beta because I didn't want to spend $60 for something that's free in a few months.
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u/syst3m1c 5d ago
I played it for a few hours. I got to level 16. Did some professions. Ran RFC. Then stopped. Why invest the hours in something that'll be deleted?
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u/Sparru 5d ago
Why invest the hours in something that'll be deleted?
This might come as a shock but just about everything in life works like this. Why'd I invest hours in watching a movie when it just ends? Why'd I play a round of Overwatch when it just ends? You do it because it's fun, not because you are left with something. Other than memories of course, which is true to beta too.
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u/Substantial-Oil7569 5d ago
I just wanted to figure out what to main so I wasn't noodling around during launch week. But I do agree with stopping once you hit level cap. I think the people spamming dungeons at 20 and 30 for "BiS" gear are going to kill the fun for themselves a little bit.
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u/c0z3nPapi 5d ago
Iāve asked that same question to the āHardcoreā players across multiple games that either hard delete the character or let it transfer. Iād imagine the answer remains similar. The journey.
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u/Dangerous-Leader-779 5d ago
9 characters x 10 hours per (OP estimate, seems lowā¦) = 90 hours of playtime
Thatās 3.75 days of playtime, conservatively.
Beta been out for 8 days.
OP has spent half of his life playing this game over the last week. Minimum of 11 hours per day.
I did the math, and I regret it. This is the South Park stereotype in real lifeā¦
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u/Rhyd95 5d ago
I got to level 10 on one character
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u/Cassp3 5d ago
Yeah between the 19 kids and 4 jobs, it's tough to log in for more than 15 minutes a day.
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u/Rhyd95 5d ago
1 job and 1 newborn is enough for me thanksš
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u/Chef_G0ldblum 5d ago
My friends with kids said that they got the most gaming done during the newborn months. Nope, didn't happen for me. What a bunch of liars.
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u/Pogboom 5d ago
Damn teach me your ways! 1 newborn here and Just reached lvl 7! I guess the positive is that i might reach 20 just as full versjon launches
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u/Unhappy_Ad2328 5d ago
Newborn is always messy. I have 5 year old and a 1 year old. I play when everyone (i also included wife here) are asleep
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u/Rhyd95 5d ago
The last 3 weeks I've been questioning how anyone can manage with more than one š¤£š¤£
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u/omgitstenn 5d ago
I vaguely thought of installing the beta
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u/kaxikayima 5d ago
Same hereā¦ max time i can afford is to read about it on reddit and imagine how i would want to stroll through elwynn forest and get wrecked by murlocs
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u/0815Pascal1 5d ago
Why spirit on wl?
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u/flaw_greg 5d ago
Spirit now scales Your lifetap numbers + trolls get some regen during combat.
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u/nebulous-nautilus 5d ago
Was troll warlock a pretty good combo? How did the races feel overall?
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u/flaw_greg 5d ago
I'm looking at everything through the lens of hardcore player and I think troll will be the best choice for Warlock for hardcore playthrough. Not sure about alliance, I don't play it - can't say.
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u/nziety 5d ago
Spirit regens mana and health so less down time eating and drinking which is the bane of warlock.
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u/0815Pascal1 5d ago
Had no real issues once I got a wand
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u/BroccoliMedical4521 5d ago
For real. If you get a wand at 5 you just corruption and wand with imp. At 10 voidwalker is giga strong.
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u/0815Pascal1 5d ago
Living it, yeah!
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u/BroccoliMedical4521 5d ago
It was by far the strongest leveling I had done. With Void you could do 4 mobs at a time with little difficulty
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u/500x700 5d ago
Wasnāt wanding too strong and got nerfed how it is post nerf
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u/BroccoliMedical4521 5d ago
In a sense. They removed spell power scaling but you didnt exactly have a ton at the levels you used wand anyway.
Itās still by far the best way to go about it.
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u/Diebearz 5d ago
Rogue "nothing exciting or new about this class" is so depressing.
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u/anzu3278 4d ago
There's potential for new stuff to be added later. I'm kinda hoping the scrapped disguise system gets some love.
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u/Cyberfreak7 5d ago
Where is priest on tierlist
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u/flaw_greg 5d ago
In terms of raw Powah i'd place them at A, just because wanding is so strong - all You have to do is to apply shield on yourself and wand mob to death. You won't have ANY mana issues, and if shield breaks You can jsut heal yourself. Didn't drink a single time during entire process. Unfortunately wanding is not very enjoyable for me personally so placed them in C for this reason alone,
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u/DoctorBlock 5d ago
I gave the same feedback. āSo shadow still sucks and priest just has to wand for 40 lvls?ā
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u/drifter91 5d ago
I have been doing the same thing. I much prefer leveling alts than spamming dungeons at level 20 to minmax my character. Hunter has definitely felt the best and druid was godawful to level, which I did before the buff to wrath.
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u/GarbageHiro 5d ago
The problem with leveling atls like that is your missing out on what makes them strong. For example, druids forms now scale damage with their weapon. If you were using your crappy lv 8 weapon at 16, yep its going to feel like ass
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u/drifter91 5d ago
Even with the gear available, it's not that great. With the mace from IF dungeon quest, it's certainly a lot better, but at that point, you are just doing dungeons all the way up to 20, so it doesn't really matter. When I level on the beta, I try to not buy weapons on the AH to simulate what a launch would be like.
Cat form is just way more damage than bear. Druid 1-20 is truly ass, but 20-60 more than makes up for it.
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u/ganon2234 5d ago
That's cool, is it a change that just went live
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u/GarbageHiro 5d ago
Live since Beta! I missed it and was wondering why everyone was pulling threat from me. Its because i had lv 8 weapons on in DM lol
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u/The_SIeepy_Giant 5d ago
Good god dude people are gonna be 60 before I can even play at launch.
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u/BoarMoar 4d ago
There is a reset at launch. Everything everyone is doing right now is in vein. Except fun, we definitely are having fun
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u/Alternative-Ad-1602 4d ago
Everything everyone is doing is solely for the fun of doing it and testing our playable borders... Except bots. They're doing it for the sweet, sweet, rich and lazy people money
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u/PlayfulSurprise5237 4d ago
Can't be too sweet. Not when it's at the cost of majorly enshitifying a sacred communal space held by a community. Somewhere we all go to hang out and have fun.
They might not think about it now, but likely at some point when their cloak of righteousness wears off and they reflect on their life in the context of the truth, they'll be haunted by it.
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u/Alternative-Ad-1602 4d ago
It's sweet for them, but never for us. But it's not like Chinese gold sellers care about destroying the western community, since they get to have their own, separate Chinese community servers, completely unaffected by their business models.
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u/sweetfortune 5d ago
How long to hit 20?
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u/triisi 5d ago
Average is 18hrs according blizzards data
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u/n0shlz 5d ago
Took me 13h as warrior and I only did 1 dungeon (that took me from 17 to 19). Dungeon quest xp is insane.
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u/EddedTime 5d ago
The only questing I did after lvl 14 was the back and forth quests for the deadmines quests.
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u/fielvras 5d ago
I don't wanna be that guy, but you need a second level 20 character of the class you liked most ... it's the rules.
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u/CAlTHLYN 5d ago
If you would have leveld your Warrior as prot with 1h/shield, you aint needing blues to easily handle 3 mobs at the same time Alone while questing, especially after 16 with shield Block + Revenge.
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u/misterrpg 5d ago
Is it true you can level as prot warrior now? Thats sick if true lol
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u/GoranPandevvv 5d ago
New revenge version is amazing.
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u/flaw_greg 5d ago
Agreed, I got baited early into 2 handers because that what I was used to do in classic. Prot might be the way, but ran it only once and don't know if it only feels better or is actually better than what we used to do.
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u/shearos17 4d ago
this level 20 cap is actually really fun.
the levelling is easy/tolerable.
twinking out a character with quests and dungeons is fast.
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u/Rude_Arugula_1872 5d ago
How much time did it take for each character? All roughly the same? Favorite spec/zone (if changed)?
Most changed spec/class?
Finally, someone I can ask these questions and actually did the work, rather than some useless streamer who didn't even log on once but is comparing talent trees from retail/classic with 0 knowledge of the actual subject.
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u/flaw_greg 5d ago
Roughly 10 hours per character. +/- depending on the class.
Most changed?
Warrior Arms feels much worse / Warrior prot feels bad for me personally with the exception of thunderclap
priest / rogue - unchanged
Hunters felt amazing as Tauren - plainsrunning did the work, didn't get hit a single time until first caster mob at level ~6, so could skip that bad melee 1-10 leveling that hunter always had, after that everything felt even better
Paladin - obviously changed, obviously felt good with the exception of holy - found myself going OOM very fast without decent gear.
Druids - had the biggest hope about this one, low dmg overall. Classic druid leveling 1-20 felt much better, even as feral
Warlock - Felt fantastic after getting imp, big change is that Your pet suddenly can have 1k+ hp due to scalling
Rogue / Priest - felt like nothing changed
Mage - initially bad but started to feeling better after 10- if You don't expect to aoe grind with blizzard like before at 20 and treat is as any other normal class, You'll have good time. I love the idea of having multiple different scrolls that help You, but it's too early to tell.
Shaman - good change with being able to do some AoE dmg. A little bit dissapointed with early ele, but maybe it will get better later.14
u/Chronmagnum55 5d ago
Did you just not work and sleep very little the past week? This would be at least 12 hours a day right?
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u/Computer_Common 5d ago
I've a question about druid. You mentioned that it felt better in classic even as feral. Just curious what changed in bear form? I saw that now damage scaled based on weapon damage, so theoretically bear can be more effective during 10-20 leveling.
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u/VarusEquin 5d ago
I will never get people posting degenerate playtime like its a flex or something, you just look crazy
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u/imisstheyoop 5d ago
I think they were sharing their experience with the classes and their changes?
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u/dennisamsterdam 5d ago
my gf already moans after 2 raids a week
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u/onnUK 5d ago
Well, well... I've actually been enjoying my Skyborne Druid a lot! Does this mean if I roll a Hunter, that fun multiplies by 10x? Might have to try it out.
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u/flaw_greg 5d ago
If You roll hunter You'll start feeling bad about Your druid. If You enjoy druid now, stick to it. Comparison is the killer of joy.
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u/Hydralisk18 5d ago
Is melee hunter a legit spec or still a meme spec?
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u/DismalFee763 5d ago
It will be very legit at 60.
For example:
https://wowforevertalents.com/hunter/?t=y5-005005001-500250230050222151
10% chance for 30% melee speed proc
+20% increased damage without a pet
+30% melee critical damage
+4% crit chance with all melee abilities
+10% agility
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u/Hydralisk18 5d ago
Ooooh. I mean i dislike the not having a pet talent low key cause I still feel like hunters should have a pet. BUT everything else seems very neat. Definitely gonna try this i think
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u/AbbreviationsActual1 5d ago
I will be a meme until 35-40 when you get access to strider kick and the talent that let's you proc mongoose bite off melee
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u/Few_Run3582 5d ago
Did the same thing in SOD with the lvl 25 cap. Lvl caps feels great tbh as long the phase arent too long
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u/zipencjusz 5d ago
Reddit made me feel like this is another post about warrior being nerfed in forever.
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u/strangescript 5d ago
Excuse my ignorance but why is Spirit going on warlock now?
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u/Gulanth 5d ago
Probably because life tap scales with spirit now
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u/sungokoo 5d ago
Maybe Iām missing something but how does that mean? Doesnāt life tap damage your character?
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u/Gulanth 5d ago
With more spirit it takes the same amount of health but gives more mana I believe
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u/_Not_A_Vampire_ 5d ago
It takes roughly 20 hours on average to hit lvl 20 in classic, for 9 characters that's 180 hours, it's been roughly 216 hours since the beta release. Seek help.
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u/Brave-Cranberry3026 5d ago
It doesn't actually take 20 hours. The average is heavily skewed. My first char no rush did 9 hours. If he played optimal be probably levelled this in about 7 or 8 hours each.
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u/Acing_It_Daily 5d ago
I'd say if you were jamming to get to 20 on Forever, it'd be around 10-20 hours. Depends on the class, depends on the play. But average is around 12-20hrs to 20 from what I see.
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u/marmarzipan 5d ago
I knew this sub would jump on you for calling someone out for unhealthy behavior. Happens every time. People are jumping on your ā20 hoursā number without realizing it isnāt much better if you drop that to 10 hoursā¦
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u/Coolusername099 4d ago
Yeah even at 10 hours per toon thats playing everyday all day with only 10 hours between sessions for sleep, eating, self care, etc. That is not healthy at all
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u/Astralsketch 5d ago
if you are trying to speed run, sub 10 hours is a good pace, so half that number
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u/Locolex1 5d ago
I cannot decide if i want to main hunter again or warlock this time. šµāš« warlock has so many benefits , raid spot easier to get because not so much competition, plus i expect it be one of the best dps . But i love hunter and the gameplay of the class - even in forever and cannot wait for melee survival spec
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u/fincz 5d ago
As a hunter main, destro lock looks very tempting.. I wanna see the fire destro lock, immolate into conflag into incinerate. I always liked how incinerate looks compared to shadow bolt.
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u/flaw_greg 5d ago
Well, we don't know what will happen for raids. previously You didn't want hunters because they didn't scale well enough to be even remotely comparable to warriors. Things changed now...
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u/AceTrainer_sSkwigelf 5d ago
Early druid is always rough but by all aspects and margins, in true Classic fashion, druid is shaping up to be the worst class. Just like in Classic, resto still the most viable spec. Feral (cat and bear) and balance absolutely in the mud. I'm convinced no one at Blizzard actually mains feral if this is how they designed it.
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u/Rawflsauce69 5d ago
Bear tank will always be good usually
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u/DontFlexNuts 5d ago
Idk when i tank as bear, i can't hold threat at all, and missing a lot of hits , and having rage starvation, maybe it's a skill issue, but we are at level 20 so it is what it is.
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u/Temis37 5d ago
Its crazy we get this after sod feral which was Hella fun
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u/karrotwin 5d ago
the same sod feral that was the only clas with positional requirements and had forced spastic APM powershifting to do less damage than other DPS?Ā
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u/AceTrainer_sSkwigelf 5d ago
They saw the results of their experiment in sod and decided the class was too fun, unrestricted and had insane utility - that's all anti-Classic for druids apparently. So they tuned it all out of the gameplay.
Sarcasm aside, I had high hopes for us, thinking they finally fixed the little things and smoothed it out for the class but I was so horribly mistaken. It's genuinely quite sad.
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u/AltruisticSpace 5d ago
They nerfed cat? Is it comparable to classic, or still better in forever? SoD cat was indeed great.. Was kinda planning to run cat on launch, didn't touch beta..
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u/Temis37 5d ago
My freinds been trying to convince me druid isnt a useless class, but I doubt blizzard will fix anything.
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u/Jeggaful 5d ago
Why would locks care for spirit? Did bliz nerf the baseline values of tap? Especially now that pets are overall stronger you can just pet - corr - agony - tap - wand, no?
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u/ReliantBadger 5d ago
How did you find Enhancement Shaman? I've levelled one to twenty and while it doesn't necessarily feel 'weak', it feels extremely boring. It's just auto attacking for the vast majority of it and I don't know if stormstrike is enough to make it compelling.
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u/AQuebecJoke 1d ago
Yea it's not the most exciting spec at this level range but it IS what the class is supposed to feel like. Once you get a few totems as you get to 30-40 the gameplay become VERY dynamic quickly.
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u/IT_Specialist404 5d ago
Damn, I'm just getting two characters to lvl 20(then 30 when it happens) and calling it. You really have the time on your hands to do this.
However, it's a bit easier considering when questing, a lot of people party up and tackle quests so fast.
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u/Sanchode 5d ago
literally im playing jsut to gank people (not camp them thats fucked) so im stoked for a NE hunter in STV
also flying killed the game for me
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u/Bogoplays 4d ago
Holy shit people are mean in this thread. Good stuff dude, appreciate taking the time to give feedback.
Whats your predictions for tier list changes for level 30?
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u/Significant-Ad-7182 4d ago
Huh, I prefer gearing my warrior with the best stuff she can get and maxing her profs instead of alts.
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u/Razer1337 5d ago
When I see posts like these I instantly feel better about my own life thinking I waste time. Thank you.
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u/tycoon39601 5d ago
This guy knows what the fuck heās talking about. You can tell because he plays horde.
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u/Twitchys33 5d ago
Even Jokerd, that makes his living from doing this and is a notorious serial level, isnt half this insane. get help, seriously.
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