r/classicwow • u/Nino171 • 2d ago
Forever Beta Feedback Streamers should receive RMT bans for accepting gold just like any other player
Blizzard bans gold sellers, and they ban the players who accept the gold too. Doesn't matter if you "didn't know," doesn't matter if it was a friend, doesn't matter if it was 50g or 500g. That's the rule and most of us just live with it.
1. Blizzard can detect gold sellers. They wipe bot farms, trace the gold, and ban the accounts on the receiving end. And When its a streamer:
- They see it and choose not to act.
2. Blizzard punishes the people who accept it. A regular player who takes gold from a stranger gets flagged and banned. Nobody gets a pass for saying "it was a gift." Gold moved in a way that isn't gameplay, and that's all Blizzard cares about.
So if it's option 2 and Blizzard knowingly doesn't ban streamers, that's not an oversight, that's tolerance. And if Blizzard is tolerating it means they are supporting it, but only for streamers (Since they explicitly choose to not ban them). That's unfair to every other player who gets punished for the exact same thing.
"But streamers get donations and random players usually don't." It shouldn't matter. The rule is about accepting the gold, not about how often it happens or how many people are watching. A random player who gets a donation is treated as a rule breaker, so a streamer should be too.
We can all agree it's not good for the integrity of the game when streamers get showered with free gold on stream. Treat everyone equally. Streamers should have to watch what they accept for free, just like any other player.
Whats your opinions?
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u/Uzeless 2d ago
Are we pretending that people have been getting banned for accepting gold?
Is this like a mass delusion event or what is happening on this sub?
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u/SiFixD 2d ago
At this point the new gold delivery format is going to be bought gold traded in person with the gold seller messaging "Hey, love the stream, here's a donation, meet me in SW" beforehand and there's apparently nothing Blizzard can do about it lol.
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u/Uzeless 2d ago edited 2d ago
> At this point the new gold delivery format is going to be bought gold traded in person with the gold seller messaging "Hey, love the stream, here's a donation, meet me in SW" beforehand and there's apparently nothing Blizzard can do about it lol.
Yeah that's the problem when it comes to going after the gold buyers, especially if you want to perma ban their account.
It's very easy to create plausible deniability around the transaction. You can use the AH, you can trade the gold for an item, you can launder it through guild bank and in every single case it's basically impossible to blanket auto ban people without hitting a shitton of innocent players.
That's why blizzard has traditionally tried to ban the source of the gold. It can be done automatically by detecting certain bot movements so requires very little manpower, but we're talking about a multi million dollar industry that just keeps innovating so it's a permanent arms race that the bots are winning.
Also for the people crying about blizzard "wanting bots because they pay", this is a problem for literally every game and literally every game is losing the war on bots. Riot doesn't get shit from the bots and they're still losing.
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u/Vodddddddd 2d ago
You can use the AH, you can trade the gold for an item, you can launder it through guild bank and in every single case it's basically impossible to blanket auto ban people without hitting a shitton of innocent players.
No innocent player trades a grey item for 200g to someone. No company is farming gold and mailing it to random players, just don't accept 200g from the mail too.
AH is used by listing a grey item for 200g and the gold buyer buying the item.
No shit ton of innocent players are getting hit by your examples. If blizzard are strict about 'random acts of gold appearing on your character' then people will be diligent about receiving gold from unknown sources against the true value of the transaction.
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u/westside222 2d ago
Its very easy to just use the AH to do it without being that dumb. Posting a few random greens at high prices and splitting the purchase over a few AH transactions is very hard to track. Or posting materials for prices like 120g, when that same material posts normally for 1g20s. So then the sale looks like a legitimate purchase.
It’s really not that hard to buy gold without being suspicious if you use the AH.
It will always be a problem unless botting is effectively completely banned. That’s all it comes down to. Banning GDKPs won’t solve it, banning some buyers won’t solve it, either need to actually ban botting or just accept that RMT is in the game and add the wow token.
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u/SkY4594 2d ago
People expect Forever to be different I guess
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u/T3DtheRipper 2d ago
It's just the same cycle all over.
Blizz announces a new WoW thing > "this time for sure we're gonna go super hard against rmt" > they go extremely mild.
But hey this time they're gonna punish them for sure
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u/Faustuos 2d ago
Do you really have to ask? See the other posts on this sub. Many one of them are paranoia with retail players, others like this one is straight up delusion. I dont know how people even read that title and makes sense to them.
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u/tinyElliss 2d ago
People defintiely were getting banned for buying gold. Dunno about accepting it thru like trade.
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u/Uzeless 2d ago
People defintiely were getting banned for buying gold. Dunno about accepting it thru like trade.
Those are not the same things... They're also getting banned for fly hacking but that's also not the same as accepting gold...
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u/BigAbbreviations6425 1d ago
Blizzard won't do anything significant, gold buying and RMT has been a problem for years... and if you look at twitch metrics since beta launch they have been getting so much advertising for the game
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u/jQuaade 2d ago
Maybe i am misunderstanding the whole thing, but I thought this was spurred on by a player giving a streamer some gold cause they are a fan, not because it was a transaction of real money. That doesn't feel comparable at all to paying a gold farmed 10 bucks over PayPal for a chunk of gold in game. Am I misunderstanding the entire thing?
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u/ripleyisntreal 2d ago edited 2d ago
No you're 100% correct this subreddit just hates streamers. Every major classic release there's dozens of witch hunt threads like this where they want some streamer punished for this or that.
There's zero evidence Ziqo bought gold.
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u/hotdiggity22 1d ago
So why did they take his gold away and ban the guy that traded it to him if it was farmed legitimately?
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u/BaQstein_ 2d ago
Any other player who receives large amount of gold from another person who bought it, will get banned. Streamer should be held to higher standards, not lower.
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u/jQuaade 2d ago
So the fan bought the money then handed it to a streamer?
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u/VanDamme007 2d ago
It seems it wasn't even a gold buyer just someone that knows how to farm gold and give it to streamers the person did the same in another game aswell.
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u/disastrous_hyena759 2d ago
Yeah, sure, because obviously a random level 1 with a random name just happened to have 360 gold lying around.
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u/sgtpoopers 2d ago
me when I forget the mail system works
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u/GothmogTheOrc 2d ago
Me when I pretend people have had the time to farm 300+ gold since the beta started only to gift it to some fuckass streamer.
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u/VanDamme007 2d ago
They had there are always ways to make gold you just need to find them.
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u/GothmogTheOrc 2d ago
Sure bro, the gold is definitely legitimate. That must be why Blizz confiscated it!
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u/ripleyisntreal 2d ago
Okay but streamers aren't other players. Other players don't receive random gold because they're other players, they aren't streamers. Fans give streamers things. A fan giving a streamer gold is not evidence of that streamer buying gold.
We all agree that people who farm gold to give to streamers are losers, but they exist. You don't want streamers held to a higher standard, you want to punish them for the privilege they receive as a streamer. Two totally different things.
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u/BaQstein_ 2d ago
Tell me the difference between my friend buying gold and giving it to me and a streamer getting handouts. It's the same. Just don't take large amount of gold when you don't know where it comes from.
I would even say a friend/guild giving gold should be less of a punishment because you don't expect them to rmt. When you get money from a random especially a lvl 1, it can be expected to be bought.
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u/ripleyisntreal 2d ago
One is against the rules and one isn't. It isn't against the rules to farm gold and then give it to someone.
I think people who farm gold to give to streamers are ecucks but it isn't against the rules and no one should get banned for it.
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u/Regular_Chap 2d ago
I have both given and received 1k+ gold to and on new accounts multiple times on anniversary and have never been banned.
These have been either via in-game mail or just trading and not through some convoluted money laundering.
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u/BaQstein_ 2d ago
Congrats you got away. 4 guild mates got banned on SoD release for buying Gold.
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u/Regular_Chap 2d ago
I got away with what exactly? There's nothing wrong with sending an alt account or a friend gold.
Buying gold is bannable and your friends deserved those bans.
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u/MasahikoKobe 2d ago
The Mafia Don gets the money from the guy below him and and has no real idea which pool the money came from. Legit Business or non-legit business. HE gets the plausible deniability but knows that money can come from either of those 2 places. The peon at the bottom moves the money up the chain and goes to jail for extortion or Racketeering or Illegal Gambling or Illegal Booze sales.
We currently find ourselves in this situation. We can guess the money was made on the illegal side and that the Don should go to jail for getting the money. Nobody is willing to prove it though.
Blizzard could make a "RICO" case out of this if they wanted but they probably don't want to tip there hand on how AND how much they can track gold as they want to keep it under wraps as much as they can since they are not as active as they should be about it doing ban waves instead of being more johnny on the spot bans since they can see how the gold moves not only between accounts but between characters. I mean they could just IP range ban and make servers more strict and block VPN tunneling
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u/BarbsFPV 2d ago
They have never banned people for receiving gold. They just take the gold away.
Reddit getting a boner for banning people, yet again. As normal as the sun rising in the morning.
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u/beatenmeat 2d ago
There have been times where Blizzard implements a new detection tool/system and accidentally catches legitimate trades or people mailing things between accounts/characters. There's been a ton of posts over the years including ones where the ban was overturned because they were triggering false positives.
So yes, they have banned people for receiving gold, including from people's own accounts.
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u/Michelanvalo 2d ago
Aggrend said on the Q&A stream they were going to start taking more harsh actions against buyers.
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u/MasahikoKobe 2d ago
start taking more harsh actions against buyers.
Unless you can prove that Ziqu was the BUYER and not just the recipient hes not going to catch the ban.
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u/Winterough 2d ago
So gold buyers that get banned… what is the evidence they bought the gold to make the conclusion that they bought it? Blizzard bans A LOT of players for buying gold with way less evidence than they have here against Ziqo.
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u/travman064 2d ago
If someone traded me thunderfury, blessed blade of the windseeker on the beta, id laugh and accept the trade and try to equip it and use it. Its a beta, blizzard is going to remove it and someone found a bug. There is no consequence to anyone.
I would understand that this would not be okay on a 'real' server.
But you and I both know that reddit would crash out and call for blood.
Look, if this sub wasnt crying about ziqo, it would be crying about something else. Basically the second that forever was announced, its become this endless loop of critique and complain.
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u/Foray2x1 2d ago
Its a beta, blizzard is going to remove it and someone found a bug. There is no consequence to anyone. I would understand that this would not be okay on a 'real' server.
There is a $100k pvp tournament happening on the beta and RMT gives an unfair advantage. So yes, it does have consequences.
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u/travman064 2d ago
A community event isnt something blizzard should be expected to action for.
If someone pulls out thunder fury in the duel tournament, its on the community to figure out how to handle that, not say 'blizzard! Blizzard someone cheated in the duel tourney!'
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u/Foray2x1 2d ago
RMT is still breaking the TOS. It being a Beta doesn't change this at all and blizzard has even said this themselves.
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u/BaQstein_ 2d ago
This is straight up false.
Multiple people got banned for buying gold in SoD.
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u/b4dkarm4 2d ago
One of my accounts got banned for RMT in SoD. I ran a warlock summoning service in SoD and had a second account with 3 extra paid sub accounts. One for an announce character in a capital city and two others to help me summon. I did all my summons for free all the time, never charged. The announce 'bot' was muted for a week for bad language or some nonsense.
After that week was up I was at it again but then one of my summon 'bots' was perma banned for RMT. Something told me that if anyone wanted to tip me to have them tip the bot and not my main primary account. Well, that one sub account is gone forever now.
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u/GreyWolfx 2d ago
Someone posted earlier about getting banned for receiving gold in the mail. I didn't save the thread or anything, and I can't vouche the legitimacy of the claim, but I've seen this sort of claim being made more than once lately for whatever that's worth.
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u/shaunika 2d ago
yep
they're essentially using their IRL fame to receive in game power, which is pretty much essentially a version of RMT they're just using fame as a currency not money
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u/tinyElliss 2d ago
well thats different, innit, thats more like donation, but if theres real money involved then its bannable.
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u/Felikks7 2d ago
We should ban every guild leader whose guild helped them farm Scarab Lord. They used their power and influence to get 40+ to spend hours upon hours mindlessly killing bugs.
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u/shaunika 2d ago
Thats using ingame power WITHIN your own created community
False equivalence.
Its not abusing a parasocial relationship to get ingame benefits
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u/Felikks7 2d ago
Ok so if they make a guild and only accept donations through the guild?
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u/shaunika 2d ago
I feel like youre trying to look for legal loopholes in an ethical statement which defeats the purpose so I will stop engaging.
GL with the streamer bootlicking I guess
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u/Felikks7 2d ago
If people want to give streamers or anyone else shit they farmed, I really don't care. If fans are RMTing to do it or it looks suspicious in some way it needs to be investigated, but I really don't care what people do within the ToS. Just comes off as jealousy that y'all care so much.
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u/Wisterjah 2d ago
So what's bothering you isn't that he' would be buying gold, the against tos thing, but rather that he is gaining an advantage over you by presents ?
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u/BigDuner 2d ago
There is no proof that it was RMT gold. I know it might be hard to process for some of you, but 400g isn't out of this world. It's pretty easy to make gold in the beta. If blizzard investigates and says the gold was legitimate, would you all even drop this and move on? Just think about it for a few mins
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u/Imbure 2d ago
Wait, what if Blizzard investigates, finds that 380g and 175g is RMT'd, do you support a ban?
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u/no_shoes_are_canny 2d ago
only if they were the buyer or seller. if they received the gold from someone else who was the buyer, then no, only the gold should be taken away.
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u/Imbure 2d ago
You do create an environment like that propagates gold buying, Blizzard banned GDKPs because they couldn't control gold buying, this will be the same, something they won't be able to control
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u/no_shoes_are_canny 2d ago
GDKP was only a minor aspect of gold purchasing. Adding black market vendors like they did with things like Black Lotus to cap market pricing will do more to combat. And they're still going after buyers and sellers, they're just not banning people who are given gold by other purchasers, just taking the gold away.
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u/Imbure 2d ago
Yeah, but then RMT gold will still be heavily in circulation, you are not stopping gold buying the moment gold is bought or transferred, you are just taking a bucket and trying to drain the ocean, most of these wouldn't be heavily spotted if not for streaming. In the end of the day, we will just have to get used to RMT still being the status quo.
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u/no_shoes_are_canny 2d ago
A large part of the RMT punishments involves clawing back any gold purchased. So if they're banning proven buyers and sellers while removing purchased gold from the game, how is that ending up in circulation?
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u/Imbure 2d ago
He buys 1000 silk cloths, trades them out for something else to be made, etc., part of that gear remains, that money ends up somewhere else as well as materials trade hand oiling up the machine. Also, this is an example of someone spotting it quickly, in most cases it won't be the same, especially in later parts of the game where 380 gold won't be even close to an outlandish sum. Now if I want to compete for that 1000 silk cloth to buy for my tailoring, I will need to compete against an RMT'ers gold.
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u/bigwithdraw 2d ago
I feel like this sub is just delusional or doesn’t play the game at this point. I have 100g just by farming some ore to level engi and selling the extra. Some summon sellers have over 500g.
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u/Mithyqt 2d ago
Curious, how much time do you have? /played in game. I dont see a world where normal players (majority of the playerbase) has time nor the dedication to farm 400g and just give it away
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u/bigwithdraw 2d ago
On the beta? Probably over 60 hours at this point. I’ve leveled multiple characters to 25. You vastly underestimate the amount of people who play this game this way. There are people running summon teams on the beta who probably are over 1k gold at this point.
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u/Mithyqt 2d ago
I still stands by what i said, majority of players would not hand out 400gold.
Majority of players on the beta, does not have "multiple lvl 25s(?)"
I think youre over estimating.
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u/Grimreap32 2d ago
But how do we know? So even if the money is farmed legit, it could have been still bought for real money. Even Blizzard has to guess that at times.
If I have a friend who plays a ton, plays the AH, plays profs & I buy gold with him & send him some money. it may not be from a bot account, Blizzard doesn't see the transaction all they see is I have received a large amount of gold that wasn't mine, for nothing. But I have now RMT'd - I'd expect to be caught/flagged just from their own systems. Meanwhile a streamer could have done that if even indirectly, but we hear crickets.
So publicly the things to take away from it is:
- Buy from sources carefully.
- Have a burner mule account in the middle
- Feign all knowledge - apparently that would be a valid excuse
- Stream yourself getting the gold and play a streamer card if you do get hit
Not a good way to discourage RMT.
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u/Felikks7 2d ago
Blizzard is always right when someone is banned for RMT, and always wrong if they find no wrong doing. Those are the rules of this subreddit.
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u/tythompson 2d ago
Yea if my account can't get reviewed by a GM then fuck the special treatment streamers get.
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u/Caedmon_Kael 2d ago
Should make a one-way path to a "Streamer" ruleset, as opposed to "Normal, RP, PVP, Hardcore". Separate AH, phase, etc, but Bots and RMT are allowed. ANY Streaming forces your entire account into the Streaming ruleset.
All bots get shoved to that ruleset as well.
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u/archaniya 2d ago
It’s kinda funny that people actually defend streamers when they buy gold.
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u/s22sk123 2d ago
Show us all a clip of a streamer BUYING gold we beg
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u/stryphhh 2d ago
they accept gold from people who buy gold, there is quite literally no fucking difference
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u/SolaVitae 2d ago
The fact one is against the TOS and the other isn't seems like a pretty huge difference.
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u/stryphhh 1d ago
it’s not like people have received bans for taking gold from friends who used RMT right? right…?
downvote me all you want, i’m not wrong, if the source of the gold was RMT it’s equally bad
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u/SolaVitae 1d ago
it’s not like people have received bans for taking gold from friends who used RMT right?
Maybe occasionally? Probably not frequently though if we're being honest, I mean sure someone might say that, but it's not like we can ever actually know if that's why they got banned.
But I also thought an overwhelming majority of people agree that you shouldn't be getting banned for that since it's literally not against the tos.
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u/stryphhh 1d ago
it’s not hard to search for the plethora of “I got banned for RMT but I never bought gold!” posts
Blizzard also put out a blue post saying to take caution when accepting gifts in which you don’t know the source
Streamers shouldn’t get special privileges just because they’re popular… my point is that both avenues of receiving gold, whether you’re the buyer or just a recipient of a gift, hurt the game equally as bad
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u/SolaVitae 1d ago
You can search out "I didn't break the rules, but got banned for breaking the rules" posts on any gaming subreddit. The point being that just because the post exists doesn't mean it's actually true, and 1/100 of them actually being a mistake on Blizzard's part doesn't mean the other 99 are as well.
If accepting a single gift of bought gold was truly enough to get you banned for rmt, gold sellers would just gift out some gold randomly to get enough people banned for no reason that Blizzard has to stop being that strict, allowing more actual gold buyers to get away with it.
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u/stryphhh 1d ago
not gonna sit here and argue, the final part of this blue post should answer your question as to whether or not it’s enough to get in trouble for receiving illicit gold from a stranger
if you couldn’t get in trouble for it, it’d be pretty easy to circumvent the TOS wouldn’t it?
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u/kbrobro3 2d ago
I mean hell, look at half the posts about the topic in the last 24 hours. Most have gotten taken down by mods of every wow sub. Wouldn't surprise me if they're stream mods too.
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u/Momoko_86 2d ago
we all know who OP is talking about when he says 'streamers'
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u/pudgehooks2013 2d ago
Blizzard has 0 incentive to ban gold buyers.
Blizzard has maximum incentive to ban gold sellers.
Gold sellers just make a new account, pay their sub and keep on trucking. Blizzard can say, we banned 10000 gold sellers this month!, it can be true, and it can be completely meaningless.
You ban someone that bought gold on their nice account, they stop playing. No more money.
It is a simple as that.
They don't need to care about the player experience, people will complain about it while giving them money.
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u/Plaincow 2d ago
I'm against rmt against the board and don't even watch streamers anymore, but seeing all the posts of people crying on here is so fucking funny oh my god.
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u/MandinGoal 2d ago
Guys if you cant understand why they let a streamer that generates a shit ton of money for blizzard do it and not random people you really need to wake up and grow up.We are in 2026 in a world where late stage capitalism is predominant thats all there is to know .i'm not saying its fair but thats how it is
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u/Pwez 2d ago
The streamers only do it because they get away with it. If they ban 1-3 for a week or so, Blizzard doesn’t lose free streamer marketing, but sets a precedent and hopefully other streamers stop RMTing.
They only reason streamers RMT is because Blizzard let them get away with it.
Beta is a perfect moment to step in and ban a few streamers or all that RMT.
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u/BaQstein_ 2d ago
They could just ban them for 3 days and they will probably stop taking handouts when their career is on the line
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u/RegularFeeling8389 2d ago
Counterpoint, banning a streamer would also generate that and the streamer would just make another account? It's happened with the rwf.
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u/karemili 2d ago
My sub of 15 USD is worth as much to blizzard as the 25k viewer streamer. Thats totally how the world works.
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u/GreyWolfx 2d ago
Regular players should not get banned for being given gold, period. I think this aggressive banning from blizzard is bullshit tbh. Ban the bots, but assuming guilt just due to getting mailed some gold or being given something is stupid. I don't care if it sometimes is legitimate RMT, I don't support this reckless banning. Bots are at least clearly identifiable, so ban them aggressively is fine but that's about it as far as I'm concerned.
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u/Imbure 2d ago
Don't take random bs gold?
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u/GreyWolfx 2d ago
Why not?
The only reason not to is fear of getting banned, which is a stupid thing to have to worry about when you know you're not doing anything wrong.
It's also not something that's intuitive to people who aren't paying attention to dev streams, who may start playing wow forever a year from now without any concept of this stupid policy blizzard seems to have, and who may be offered a handout randomly which of course they would gladly accept.
It's fucking dumb for blizzard to ban people for accepting trades or mails when that's a feature of the game that's been present since launch day over 20 years ago. It's them being lazy about dealing with bots directly and looking to solve that issue via fear because that's cheaper than them paying for a team that actually stays on top of bot reports and bot behavior which I swear to god isn't hard to detect and certainly shouldn't be hard to detect now that AI is such a big thing. I really see no excuse for them to not just deal with the bots and leave it at that, I see zero excuse at all.
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u/Imbure 2d ago
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u/little_hoe 2d ago
You're the one ragebaiting, and I'm not the person you replied to.
If I sell an item on the AH, and the buyer got their gold through RMT, why should I be punished?
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u/Imbure 2d ago
You think you are going to get banned for selling Silk Cloth for +20% mark up on the current value? The question is about putting a +20000% mark up and expecting nothing to happen if people buy you specifically, surely nothing questionable is happening there. Like obviously if Ziqo even received 100 g, I wouldn't even care that much, but it is so obvious at a 380g from a level 1 character that it is RMT'd gold, so when you get it, you are just advertising to your audience that RMT'ing gold and giving it to him is okay.
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u/madi0r 2d ago
Lmao no thats not how it works. You will not get banned for accepting gold and if ur thinking that will change its silly.
How are you ppanning to differentiate people legit taking stuff out/putting stuff in the guild bank? Like my tbc guild for example is pretty rich with like 30-40k in gbank+ bunch of mats. We source out epic gemming/enchants etc for all consistent core players. How do u differentiate someone taking stuff from it from gold buying? Also lets say my gm puts 2k in gbank. How am i supposed to know if he bought that gold or if he farmed it?
Another example is do u know how popular gambling in wow is? Like half guilds ive been on recent times do death rolls or some other form of gamba. After which whoever lost... opens trade and gives whatever they lost to person who won. And no, people not only do it for spare change, ive seen rolls (in retail) as high as 500k , which is roughly 2 tokens or 40 bucks.
There are prob bunch of other cases and situations that im too lazy tp think about rn too. Any hard punishments for it will result in sooo many false positives, but if u think its moderated roght now alteady oh boy i have bad news for you.
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u/blahblah19999 2d ago
Someone gave me gold to buy a basic mount in classic. That's a stupid idea to punish people for that
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u/kelfupanda 2d ago
Streamers getting free gold should be treated as buying gold with infulence
Also Olypmus us fucked and asmon needs to go farn shit himself
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u/s22sk123 2d ago edited 2d ago
What is ur problem with olympus or asmongold? Ur just a reddit larper there is literally no influence of them, when u actually just play the game and stop living on yt and reddit
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u/Hoslinhezl 2d ago
What is ur problem with olympus or asmongold?
Why do people feign ignorance online so much? Famous person who says heinous shit with large following of children, I wonder what reason people might have for not liking him
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u/s22sk123 1d ago
Clearly people are following his content, thats how social media alghorithms work, u either stay to watch his content or pass by, you choose to be invested in his opinions and community. Again, you are another parasocial larp hater, because at the end of the day asmongold or his guild have no impact on the experience you have as a player
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u/kelfupanda 2d ago edited 2d ago
I have to share the same name
Causing disrepute to the name is a punishable offence
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u/eNte19 2d ago
One of my gripes with blizzard banning byers, is how they only seem to do it in waves.
I.e week before easter there's "always" a big one (source, banned two years in a row that specific week for swiping raid consumes)
They have all the data and tools to analyze every copper spent or sent, just get enough humans on payroll to confirm and work through appeals quickly (<3-5 days).
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u/caddyben 2d ago
My opinion is that this topic is beat to death and until sufficient proof one way or the other all of this speculation is pointless and does nothing but smear the names of those who don't even know you exist. Like why is this even a thing?
Ive played wow for over a decade at a pretty high level and have never had to RMT. As well, I have never felt compelled to complain about those who do. What people do with their gold or money, is up to them. Clearly blizzard doesn't have a problem with it either as long as they get their cut because they let you buy tokens in retail.
My only issue is with the endless bots and bot farms. More gold is whatever. Wows economy is literally by design an inflationary one with or without RMT. Bots just make it harder to play the game because competition for resources gets turned to 11.
I think largely however people just like to complain either way. Its entirely possible to still enjoy the game and not fight in an online forum about it.
At the end of the day, Blizzard knows whats going on because its been the same song and dance for actual decades at this point. Either keep paying that subscription or don't, it's not a big deal either way. Its like the gdkp arguments all over again. Just give it a rest, I know most of you will be playing the game come November regardless.
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u/tethysian 2d ago
Why are we assuming Blizz will ban other players, either? They just walked that back in their own statement.
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u/Redhawk_1337 2d ago
Absolutely NOT! How i'm gona sell my gold to the streamers? I got family to feed! It is way more money selling gold to streamers instead of working a regular job!!! Selling gold to streamers has always been safe business,we can't change that now!
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u/SolaVitae 2d ago
...But you're not supposed to be banned for simply receiving bought gold, nor is it actually against the rules to receive gold someone else bought.
Those players who get punished for it are not being punished because blizzard thinks they just accepted it and it happened to be RWTed, they are getting punished because blizzard thinks they are the ones who bought it.
Im also pretty certain there is not actually a rule saying you can't accept gold that someone else RWTed for given how it's literally impossible for anyone to know if gold is rwted or not.
just like any other player.
I would be willing to wager money that 90% of the player base doesn't watch what they receive for free.
And just to play devil's advocate here, sure Blizzard does make mistakes with bans, but we have literally no way to know if someone who got banned for RWT and posts saying they just got traded it for free is simply lying or not. Also, If the system was truly so sensitive that accepting a single trade for free gold that happened to be RWTed gets you banned, gold sellers would intentionally be getting people banned left and right by giving randoms gold in order to force blizzard to change their enforcement strategy to be more lenient.
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u/Dismal-Computer-5600 2d ago
I don’t think anyone should get RMT for a beta. We’re all playing with funny money right now. On full release yes IP ban them
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u/Daventry85 2d ago
They won't but they should. Asmongold makes his viewers hand him money. He had tons of gold for free before he even started leveling
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u/FishbangGG 1d ago
i wouldnt even ban them. I would make it like lost ark: Remove the gold, make it negative, and make them unable to accept trades until they have looted/sold the negative gold to zero.
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u/Thanag0r 2d ago
How about we focus on actual gold buyers and not people that advertise the game?
I know you people hate streamers because they do what you want to do.
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u/z_o_i_n_k_z 2d ago
RMT means “real money trade”
If a player didn’t buy the gold, it’s not real money trade.
Streamers being gifted in-game items due to weird parasocial relationships is not a new thing and should not be classified as RMT.
Is it fair? No.
Did they break any rules? Also no.
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u/RogueDecay 2d ago edited 2d ago
You clearly clueless, just in last 24 hours we had bluepost saying that accepting "gifts" from obvious gold buyers is not permitted.
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u/Snorepod 2d ago
That’s the most heavily exploitable logic of all time. By your definition I could make a 2nd account with a fake name. Buy a shit ton of gold and trade it to my self and just claim oh well that’s my friend and he’s quitting wow or whatever and I can’t be banned.
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u/ObiWanIsMyDog 2d ago
This is just blatantly incorrect. Both shown by plenty of previously banned people. And shown by a current blue post saying this is against TOS and bannable. Hope this helps!
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u/fkit4ever 2d ago
The EULA states don't accept gold from people you don't know or have an ingame arrangement with, and accepting gold from strangers comes at your own risk.
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u/goreblaster 2d ago
Mods deleted another thread discussing the same topic. This subreddit is compromised.
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u/Zandonus 2d ago
How do you discern guild love from fame, from genuine friendship? You know people just give boes to guildies, friends etc. Each interaction over 100 gold would have to be investigated. Ain't nobody got time for that. And what is the end result? Some guy is sitting on a pile of gold, maybe buying a thing or two, but sitting on a pile of gold (someone with an econ background could explain if this is good or awful for the economy)
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u/Demodeview 2d ago
The thing is, it's not a binary. Sometimes people do actually just give out random gold. Generally to their friends, but in FF14 I've thrown people a million gil for fun just because I can. And while that's rarer in WoW, it does actually happen.
Where it gets complicated is motivation. If I do this, I'll probably be talking to someone in game and there will be obvious signs. For a streamer though, there are fan who will just send them gold at random, either as a gift or because they are trying to get noticed. Additionally, streamers have haters who will try to abuse this, sending them random gold in an attempt to "prove" RMT and get them banned.
If a streamer buys gold they should get punished same as anyone else. But Blizzard taking a bit more time to verify things is warranted in these cases. It's not black and white.
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u/YasoOoOo 2d ago
just curious, would they notice/ban players that for e.g. get gold from a friend/guild member for crafting or because a player will Quit the game and wants to hand the gold to a friend/guild member?
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u/Low_Ability_8912 2d ago
Imo there is difference in buying gold and accepting gold. Basically saying u cant accept gold is banning trade as a whole. Damn, everytime u use ah u hand out gold to someone.
Buying gold other hand is and should be straight ban, it doesnt take genious that u track gold seller mules and delete them and the gold trail that they have left behind.
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u/little_hoe 2d ago
Ahh, back on the streamers hate train. The game is in a good place if this is what the adult babies in this sub have to cry about this week.
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u/AmericanPornography 2d ago edited 2d ago
Sadly it’s the typical “Rules for thee, not for me.”
Hopefully they hold him accountable. Sadly I doubt that.
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u/No-Lifeguard-7086 2d ago
If you spent as much time farming gold as you do crying on Reddit I bet you’d have a good chunk of gold too. Time management my brother in Azeroth.
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u/Inside_Performance32 2d ago
Streamers with any sizable viewership have always been immune from bans , they aren't going to ban free marketing
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u/Creative-Glass-4002 2d ago
Randomly receiving gold and buying it, are 2 different things. Being so jealous must be tough.
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u/Positive_Alligator 2d ago
Ah yes, the classic Reddit investigative technique:
“I don't know what Blizzard's internal enforcement systems do, therefore I have reverse-engineered them from what I saw on a Twitch stream.”
Let's walk through this masterpiece.
“Blizzard can detect gold sellers. They wipe bot farms, trace the gold, and ban the accounts on the receiving end.”
Cool. Source?
Because there’s a rather important difference between “Blizzard sometimes bans accounts involved in illicit gold transfers” and “Blizzard detects every illicit gold transfer, knows exactly where every piece of gold came from, and automatically bans every recipient.”
The latter is apparently just being accepted as Reddit canon.
Then comes the enormous logical leap:
“And when its a streamer: They see it and choose not to act.”
You know this because...?
You have access to Blizzard's internal detection systems? Their enforcement database? Their investigation notes? The ban-review process?
Or did a streamer receive some gold on camera and not get banned immediately, so you've concluded that Blizzard's entire enforcement department gathered around a monitor, saw it, and collectively said:
“Excellent. This one's famous. Disable the rules.”
There are, incidentally, several possibilities between “Blizzard didn't notice” and “Blizzard knowingly approved it.”
Maybe the transfer wasn't classified as RMT.
Maybe the transaction wasn't considered sufficient evidence of RMT.
Maybe the source account wasn't identified as illicit.
Maybe the streamer was investigated separately.
Maybe Blizzard's enforcement criteria aren't as simple as “gold moved from A to B = ban.”
Maybe enforcement isn't instantaneous.
Maybe Blizzard's systems don't work exactly the way this post assumes they do.
But apparently we're skipping all those boring possibilities because “they must have seen it and chosen not to act” makes for a much better Reddit post.
And then we get this:
“If Blizzard is tolerating it means they are supporting it.”
Ah yes, the ancient logical principle of:
No immediate punishment = endorsement.
If a police officer doesn't ticket you within five seconds of seeing you commit a traffic violation, congratulations, the government now officially supports speeding.
If a teacher doesn't stop someone talking in class, clearly talking in class has been added to the curriculum.
If Blizzard doesn't ban someone for something you believe violates the rules, obviously Blizzard has formally endorsed that behavior.
No possibility of discretion. No possibility of different circumstances. No possibility that enforcement decisions involve information you don't have.
Just silence = support.
And finally:
“A regular player who takes gold from a stranger gets flagged and banned.”
Again: citation needed.
Not “I've heard of people getting banned.”
Not “people on Reddit say they got banned.”
Not “Blizzard bans gold sellers.”
The actual claim being made is that ordinary players who receive gold under circumstances comparable to the streamer examples are reliably detected and banned.
Those are very different propositions.
The entire argument basically depends on three assumptions:
- Blizzard detected the transfer.
- Blizzard determined the transfer violated its rules.
- Blizzard deliberately decided to exempt the streamer.
And somehow the post provides evidence for approximately none of those three things.
So the conclusion isn't really:
“Here is evidence that streamers receive preferential treatment.”
It's:
“I observed something, filled in the invisible parts of the story myself, and would now like everyone to be angry about my fanfiction of Blizzard's internal enforcement procedures.”
You can absolutely argue that Blizzard should apply its rules consistently.
That's a legitimate discussion.
But before demanding equal punishment, you probably need to establish that the two situations are actually the same under Blizzard's rules, rather than simply looking identical from the outside.
Otherwise this isn't really an argument about enforcement consistency.
It's an argument about how confidently we can speculate about a company's internal decisions from a Twitch VOD.
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u/bobo00vice 2d ago
I’d probably start with banning the streamer who just completed their RMT live on stream yesterday for 500+ gold all on the LEVEL 20 BETA in the guise of ‘donate to your streamer!’. The same streamer who would tell people to ‘just buy gold it’s like $5’ when chatters would ask for advice on farming gold for an epic mount in classic.
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u/Jynirax 2d ago
It'll be interesting to see who they make an example of first.