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A Cool guide on avoiding sexual assault

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u/LuisMataPop 3h ago

I kinda liked it, it's a funny satirical version of the victim blaming tips

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u/bassandlazers 1h ago

Yeah, that's the joke. See, they made an infographic that you would think are real tips. But upon further inspection, they're not quite so. You've sure got an eye for irony

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u/the_river_erinin 1h ago

An eye-rony if you will

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u/plumbstem 1h ago

They are absolutely real tips. This is not satire.

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u/Awesome-waffle 50m ago

It can be both real tips and satire

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u/PepticBurrito 36m ago

it can be both

The person he's replying to says it's not quite real tips: "You would think are real tips. But upon further inspection, they're not quite so"

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u/Awesome-waffle 22m ago

Oh I severely misread that, I apologise

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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco 2h ago

While funny it is true it's also pointless since obviously anyone that needs this advice isn't going to listen to it. They have no qualms about hurting other people.

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u/DarkChaos1786 1h ago

You would be surprised how many people never had a dad or a parental figure who talk to them like this.

Plenty of potential abusers would refrain from being one with the right buttons being pushed.

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u/PepticBurrito 1h ago

> it's also pointless

Pointing out that victim blaming is wrong minded IS the point.

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u/Adjective-Noun-6969 1h ago edited 1h ago

Telling someone to be careful is not victim blaming tho, half the tips on there, inverted to the woman's perspective are good advice.

Dont leave your drinks unattended, dont be alone in unsafe areas, carry a whistle, those are not victim blaming...

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u/NessaSamantha 16m ago

They're not victim blaming as, like... proactive tips. But then you gotta be extra willing to smack somebody down if they twist them into "Well, she left her drink unattended..."

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u/MrPraedor 42m ago

Im not saying that victim blame ok but in some cases it is smart to avoid taking risks and its even stupid to intentionally make bad choises. For example put to extreme if someone leaves door open and tv, jevelry and 2k cash next to open door and someone steals them. Sure its victim blaming to say maybe they shouldnt have done that, but you can see that there are things that person leaving that door open could have done different.

There is always going to be some level of crime in the world. Let it be robbery, murder, violence or sa and to some degree it is just smart to teach ways to avoid those things happening to you. Especially when things like sa and robberies are quite often opportunity based crimes.

It is absolutely ok to teach people basics how to avoid being the victim of those horrible things.

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u/sharklaserguru 1h ago

What a braindead take; you can't control the behavior of others, so wishing there weren't criminals is pointless. The only thing you can do is look out for yourself!

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u/Trippy-Sponge 2h ago

Apparently you don’t know what a joke is

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u/LordBDizzle 1h ago

This stuff was unironically taught at my college and presented in this way. It's not really a joke in that case. They honestly expected that teaching it this way would help.

Obviously a rapist is at fault for raping someone. Duh. Pamphlets saying that don't stop them, since the word "no" already didn't.

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u/Illeazar 1h ago

In reality, it really is important to teach people to not sexually assult others. Sure, there are some people who wont listen, but teaching personal responsibility early and often will drastically reduce the number of people who commit sexual assault.

That being said, it is also important to teach people how to protect themselves from sexual assault. This isnt victim blaming (or doesnt need to be), but just a reasonable and practical concern. If you truly want to prevent someone from being a victim of sexual assault, you'll teach them strategies to avoid it. That doesnt mean its the victims fault if they fail to implement the strategies, only that they can significantly improve their chances if the do implement them.

I know for my kids, I dont want them to be the victims or the perpetrators. So I teach them both.

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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco 1h ago

I find this topic difficult to joke about.

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u/blahblah19999 15m ago

Yes and no. When I was in school in the 80's, there was a lot more tolerance for some things that today are a hard no. The more education the better.

But try this same satire with something like burglary and people will see how silly it might be.

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u/Anon7_7_73 1h ago

Its not victim blaming to give people tips on how not to be victimized.

Dont want to be mauled by a bear in the woods? Limit your time in the woods, carry bear mace, shout "hey bear" as you walk, dont have open food items that could attract it, carry a gun if its legal and you have training to use it... Am i victim-blaming if i inform someone to do that?!?

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u/MrEHam 1h ago

Glad you get it. Nothing wrong with giving people tips. They don’t have to follow them if they don’t want to.

If a guy was visiting my city I’d probably warn him not to go to some high-crime areas. I don’t think that’s victim blaming.

As the infographic says, rapes is 100% the fault of the rapist. But there are things you can do to minimize your chances.

It’s like a self-defense course. Is that just full of victim-blaming advice?

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u/Worried-Air-3766 1h ago

I think the problem is that it feels like it's some kind of solution. I can do all those things and still get raped and I never see information aimed at young men to teach them how not to be rapists. Also, this information often directed at folks after an assault which very much feels like victim blaming. On its own, at the right time, it's perfectly reasonable information to share though.

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u/MrEHam 45m ago

I agree that we need to go hard on teaching young men not to be rapists. There’s WAY too much celebrating men for taking what they want and even lots of women who think it’s okay to go for those kinds of guys.

There has to be some kind of paradigm change on how guys view their self-worth.

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u/Anon7_7_73 1h ago

No you cant, and thats the point. Nobody can rape you with eyes full of pepper spray or a bullet in their cranium. Its physically impossible. Thats why its advisable to have those things and know how to use them.

And this isnt just a "protect yourself thing", by defending yourself from a monster you help take that monster off the streets for other, more vulnerable and younger people. Even if you dont care to protect yourself, do it for them.

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u/EhMapleMoose 1h ago

It’s not really satire when governments are genuinely handing booklets like this out to people and have to explicitly tell them what rape is and that it’s a serious crime.

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u/Which_Way1721 1h ago

Great, now we are perpetrator blaming smh.

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u/No-Strawberry1117 1h ago

What if we made it a crime and against the law?

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u/blahblah19999 13m ago

Why are you a mayor or something?

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u/hazeldazeI 13m ago

But what about their futures?!?

I’m sad I have to put /s here

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u/Accomplished-Egg1071 2h ago

I think 7 boys from Cornell University ought to see this

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u/[deleted] 2h ago edited 1h ago

Interesting one story got all the attention. There was a cop jailed this week for multiple assaults of women and girls over DECADES and barely a peep in the news

Edit: here’s the story https://www.instagram.com/reel/Dd4vtdLFYQb/

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u/Sensitive_Bat_9211 1h ago

It hasnt hit my tik tok yet so i dont know about it

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u/[deleted] 1h ago

lol

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u/BoringPoolPlaying 1h ago

Probably because one faced justice, while 7 faced none.

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u/BillsKingsStrugleBus 55m ago

Cops assaulting people is so common people don't think of it as newsworthy.

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u/MelangeBot 1h ago

Cause that's not about humans. As superhumans cops are above all eartlhy laws including the moral laws. Don't forget they have to power to destroy you and your family and nobody can take that power from them.

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u/grey_fr 2h ago

I think everybody ought to see this

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u/bambitious 2h ago

And the 50 others in their Snapchat

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u/DarthSocks 2h ago

#2 wont work for them

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u/PrincessBonkers628 1h ago

Interesting use of the word boys

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u/MoonlightStarfish 2h ago

I’m not sure how much it would help. Point number two clearly doesn’t work.

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u/blah938 1h ago

Didn't it turn out that the ringleader was drunker than her, and passed out? So a classic case of two people raping each other?

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u/Healthy-Increase1901 2h ago

COOL! Now all you need is to get rapists to care about other people. Oh wait...

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u/gizzardwizard93 2h ago

There is literally no utility in telling morally bankrupt criminals not to do crime.

They aren't interested in listening and changing their behavior. If they were, they probably wouldn't be committing heinous violent crimes against others.

There is utility in giving potential victims of crime tips to lessen their chances of being victimized.

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u/doublereload 1h ago

To play devil's advocate, there might be at least a little utility in normalizing this kind of messaging. That is to say if everyone only sees the "don't wear this/don't walk at this time" side, people may sway more to the idea that the victim is doing something wrong, which an unsettling amount of people already believe.

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u/PhasmaFelis 2h ago

There are people, especially young people, who are still trying to figure out how morality works. If all they see and hear is men treating women like objects, then that's all they'll ever know. It's critical to give them different perspectives, before those bad influences set and petrify within them.

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u/illy-chan 41m ago

There's definitely validity in trying to prevent potential assailants from even getting to the point of harming others. But it's also worth assuming that some will turn out as monsters and it's also valid to remind possible victims "don't forget, monsters will sometimes but not exclusively target XYZ."

I don't blame anyone but a thief if someone gets their car broken into after leaving something valuable on the seat but I'm still gonna suggest that people be careful not to leave things in a car too. It's out of the potential-victims' hands that bastards exist, you can only plan accordingly.

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u/Faolyn 2h ago

What certain people are that?

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u/Biogeluk 1h ago

The Cornell men were muslims, epstein class were all muslim ? The recent kidnapping gangs all over , sexualing abusing kids were muslims? I know they were mainly white, but did not know they were also muslims. Very inclusive

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u/yaxir 46m ago

racists dont care.. they're as morally bankrupt as the people being discussed in OP

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u/yourpastoratemycock 1h ago

I live in a country where child marriage is commonplace and there's no real age of consent so Epstein wouldn't have even needed to hide his crimes here. Acting like he's somehow the worst pedophile ever is..well I guess very on brand for Americans tbh.

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u/Biogeluk 1h ago

what are the crimes of the epstein class? I don't want to live in a country that would considered what they did as normal, sexualing abusing kids is already bad, but what they did is worse so bad that they can't say no to Israel. I wish you well if you live in a country where that is normal. The point of the post is don't blame the victims, I am a man but I am tired of the rethoric about how women should behave to avoid being a victim. As if a rapist would care. Enough is enough, and anyone trying to push the blame left or right or to a specific people, are just projecting, as latest experiences has shown. Enough is enough !!!

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u/Faolyn 1h ago

Well, if the right wouldn’t assume “brown middle easterner” = muslim terrorist, maybe you wouldn’t see so much pushback from the left.

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u/butyourenice 1h ago

Just wondering what you think “commodification” means. And “enshrine,” for that matter.

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u/olivebranchsound 1h ago

"might" being the key word here that allows you to fantasize whatever your mind desires to fill in the blanks with.

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u/soundsfromoutside 2h ago

Yes! It isn’t victim blaming to tell people-specifically women-to be careful and use precautions.

The whole point of a rapist is that he knows and yet doesn’t care. He knows he shouldn’t mess with the incapacitated woman, he doesn’t care and doesn’t anyway. He knows he should stop when she tells him to stop, he doesn’t care and does it anyway. He’s going to do what he wants if he can get away with it.

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u/Otterable 2h ago

It's the same deal with telling people to wear a seatbelt when they drive, even if they don't plan to drive recklessly. You aren't saying it's somehow their fault for injury/death if they get in an accident because a drunk driver hit them and they weren't wearing it. You are saying this keeps them safer if that were to happen.

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u/micre8tive 2h ago edited 2h ago

Yes. But also this still has utility for those who arent yet morally bankrupt, but ARE morally “low class”, so to speak or morally “on the poverty line”.

It serves as a useful remember to them (appealing to what’s left of their intellect) there is still a societal expectation to be a decent fxcking human being if one should care enough. Satire like this fake guide helps to keep that narrative alive through levity. Same way shoplifters can be deterred by fake cameras - no it doesn’t get kleptomaniacs, but the next best thing is still a win.

Failing that though, it also signals to victims that they are heard and seen and not to blame for the heinous things that happen to them. And that’s a good enough reason for such things to exist, for me.

Edit: better sentences lol

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u/weishen8328 2h ago

They would be very upset at the guide if they can read.

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u/grendus 51m ago

"How many rules are there?!"

"I think just the one."

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u/poxonallthehouses 1h ago

I don’t think rapists are going to follow these tips

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u/spoilerdudegetrekt 1h ago

Yeah, I get the intent of this post, and I agree victim blaming is wrong, but telling people to take basic safety measures isn't victim blaming unless you do it after something occurs. (Such as, "why didn't you keep an eye on your drink?" Or "that's why you don't go out alone at night.")

We don't claim that telling people to lock their doors is victim blaming. Nor do we claim that telling people not to over share personal information on social media is victim blaming.

Similarly, telling people to take basic precautions in this situation is just that, telling people to take basic safety precautions.

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u/beastmaster11 43m ago

We don't claim that telling people to lock their doors is victim blaming.

We kind of do. If we find out someone that was robbed kept their doors open and unlocked, many people will say theyre dumb for doing that. And nobody has a problem with that. The issue is that while most people will think it was dumb to do, almost nobody will think that the people leaving their door unlocked deserves to be robbed. And even less people will think that the perpetrator should not be punished because the door was unlocked

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u/turbulentFireStarter 2h ago

The post is cute and flips the common sign and suggestions on its head and that is satirical and valuable to read and think about…. But the original sign is not intended to apply blame. It was to help you avoid a thing that happens. It’s not saying the thing is your fault. It’s saying “this exists. It’s bad but it exists. Here are ways to avoid it”

There are similar signs that say “to reduce the chance of break in, don’t leave valuables visible in your car” those signs are not saying “it’s your vault if someone breaks into your car” and a satirical sign that showed the opposite like “blow a whistle if you think there is a chance you might break into someone’s car” would be cute and funny and shine a light on an issue. But it isn’t helpful.

A sign that tries to help you avoid awful things that shouldn’t exist, but does exist, is not blaming you. It’s trying to help.

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u/Anthro_DragonFerrite 2h ago

For some reason, rape is the one occasion that suggesting legitimate steps to avoid or minimize the risk is automatic victim blaming.

If my car got broken into and the answer to "did you leave valuables visible?" Was yes, then the obvious advice is "don't do that."

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u/heyleese 35m ago

The difference is everyone assumes women and girls that are assaulted somehow were 'asking for it' when they are simply existing in the world. And it's always imagined as this scenario of 'provocatively dressed' woman assaulted by some rando with opportunity but it's never only that. I wish more men would have frank conversations with the women in their lives to understand the sheer magnitude of this problem. It doesn't matter what she was wearing or if she was drunk - it happens regardless and there is this perception that women don't have ownership of their own bodies and she must be doing something wrong if she is assaulted.

FYI - I've been assaulted wearing jeans and a hoodie when I was hanging out with friends and there was one guy who wouldn't leave me alone. It got to him picking me up over his shoulder to carry me into a bedroom where I went ballistic screaming and hitting that he finally let me go. I escalated the issue to the dean of students and what he said in our lovely 3 person meeting was he thought my saying no was me playing hard to get. What was so bad about that? I looked him in the eye and said I thought you were going to rape me. Even in situations like these - I was with friends, not drunk but drinking, not 'provocatively' dressed, I said no repeatedly....It just fucking doesn't matter! Also sadly, not the only assault I've experienced. Women and girls need to be able to exist without having to moderate every fiber of their beings. We as women live in bear country 24/7 when we just want to exist.

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u/h0sti1e17 1h ago

I have always said this. There is a difference between victim blaming and giving suggestions to limit the likelyhood of being a victim. Saying "Were you drunk?" is victim blaming. Saying "If you are going to decide to drink, bring a friend." is advice.

If I walk down the street stumbling drunk and get mugged, it is still the muggers fault. But had I been sober, it is less likey. That is all the advice is.

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u/cozyPanda 1h ago

Assaulters would be very disappointed if they could read

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u/yuii8765f986fb 2h ago

As a dude i love this

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u/Dove-Linkhorn 2h ago

Yep, should take care of it.

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u/Polish_Shamrock 2h ago edited 2h ago

I love putting drugs in people's drinks, hate people that carry a whistle and never watch what i wear so this is a real bummer for me 🤷

Thank God for the deaf and blind school ay?

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u/HAL9001-96 2h ago

seeing the "watch waht you wear" at first glance i thoughtit was gonna be "If you are wearing pervert lgasses reconsider why"

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u/ToriRaynn 1h ago

The satire actually works pretty well once you realize what the guide is doing. There’s a difference between giving people safety tips and making them responsible for someone else’s actions. Stuff like watching your drink can be useful without implying that the victim caused anything.

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u/ladydmaj 43m ago

I just wanted to point out that #5 is personally endorsed by Jesus Christ, in case that makes a difference to the person you're talking to.

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u/_Leopluradon_ 30m ago

I think way too many people are reading too much in to this. I doubt the author meant for this to replace the precautions that the potential victim can take to try and reduce the likelihood of sexual assault. Rather I suspect it is meant to encourage regular discourse to shift away from victim blaming.

Would being cautious about someone slipping something in to your drink reduce the likelihood of you being raped? Sure. Does it make it your fault that you were raped if you weren’t cautious enough? Absolutely the fuck not! That is still the rapists fault.

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u/overthere1143 1h ago

Call it victim blaming but we do things to avoid danger every day. I don't park my car in a place known for car theft.

Of course the world should be safe and no person should be a danger to another, but until we live in a utopia we will consciously do things to avoid danger, because reality forces us to.

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u/Kraskos 1h ago

I wish more people would recognize that there is a difference between pointing out tactics and strategies that can be effectively used to avoid something, and blaming the victim for when that something happens to them.

No, you are not morally responsible for the actions of others.

That is not an excuse to live in fantasy-land. Evil people exist. To live life assuming otherwise is to live in delusion.

Me telling you to bring an umbrella is not "victim blaming" you for getting rained on when you go out into a storm without an umbrella.

"Evil people are not rain!"

Very true, and yet, I have no more control over other evil people than I do over the weather.

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u/maxlt1 1h ago

Number 3 was eye opening

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u/azulnemo 1h ago

This is absurd, only rephs carry a whistle and they’re blind anyways. The rapist should yell ‘FIRE’ to get everyone’s attention to stop them from
being a rapist.

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u/Ill-Market4055 1h ago

Don’t think the target audience for this poster is on Reddit. But good job.

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u/Gunker001 1h ago

Should be posted in every school, college, and Trump owned buildings.

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u/LoveLightning 33m ago

buddy system doesn't work. that's gonna turn into a group session.

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u/Lazlow_Vrock 28m ago

Humourous, but the idea of telling young women to just 'expect men to be better' is great in theory, but awful in practice.

The kinds of men who do these things aren't going to change any time soon. In the mean time, there actually are things women can do to reduce the chances they will be sexually assaulted.

Creating a mindset that men should just change and women shouldn't need to do anything can be incredibly harmful.

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u/aerodriguez28 22m ago

"the only person responsible for sexual assault is the person who commits it"

It is regrettable that so many people do not understand this simple principle.

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u/Ikickyouinthebrains 1h ago

"...Don't Rape Them". Pretty solid advice.

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u/Newsmith2017 3h ago

"Try wearing a blindfold" if someone's clothes are a problem for you. If it honestly came to that point, you need some serious help.

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u/mrsmushroom 2h ago

That's the joke. Women are told to watch what they wear when they go out drinking because some men see a woman's outfit as a greenlight for sexual assault.

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u/That_Jicama2024 2h ago

I see you've never travelled to India.

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u/Redcole111 2h ago

That's the state of most of the world. That's why it's common in Islamic societies to wear Hijabs, Burqas, and other kinds of extremely concealing clothing for women. Religious Christian societies are the same with large dresses, long sleeves, tied-up hair, etc. It's all about preventing men from committing thought crime that could lead to criminal behavior. The onus in those societies is entirely on potential SA victims to avoid being victimized.

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u/Impressive_Pop1246 2h ago

Ah yes, finally something that will change the rapist’s mind.

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u/Tortellobello45 2h ago edited 2h ago

What does “flirting isn’t consent” mean?

Edit:downvoted for asking a question. Peak Reddit moment.

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u/grey_fr 2h ago

That smiling, chatting, accepting a date or a drink, sending messages whatever their content, is not consent for sex

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u/boyshaped 2h ago

Some people say “Oh they flirted with me! That means they want to have sex”. What this is saying is even if someone flirts with you, that doesn’t mean they’re giving you consent to have sex with them. Flirting is just flirting

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u/Tortellobello45 2h ago

Oh, thanks for the explanation. I thought it meant “don’t flirt without consent”.

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u/Feather_Sigil 2h ago

Only a clear invitation or agreement to sex is consent to sex. Nothing else.

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u/Preston-Waters 2h ago

How to avoid murder…if you own a gun don’t shoot someone

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u/MrJeffreyEpstein 1h ago

People who do it don’t care, they know it’s wrong but still choose to do it. Y’all gotta accept you can’t teach these things. It’s just sick people in the world that don’t care

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u/blerg1234 1h ago

The point of the graphic is to teach people not to blame victims.

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u/Additional-Print2022 1h ago

People purposefully missing the point and getting defensive in the comments huh

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u/MrJeffreyEpstein 1h ago

People who do it don’t care, they know it’s wrong but still choose to do it. Y’all gotta accept you can’t teach these things. It’s just sick people in the world that don’t care

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u/Ok_Benefit_9874 1h ago

Do you care, Mr epstein

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u/HlopchikUkraine 1h ago

Coach-level expertise, Jeff

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u/File_WR 1h ago

Are you speaking from experience here, Jeff?

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u/0xyDeadBeef 1h ago

straight from the mouth of the horse himself, lmao

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u/KlooShanko 2h ago

This one actually is a pretty cool guide

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u/Notsurethisisrightfm 1h ago

Some put this on a shirt.

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u/MrFREEdge12 1h ago

Who did this? Monty Python ? It looks like a satire

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u/Euphoric-Border-6064 1h ago

Oh haha, was it made for specific group of people? Yes. Interprete that in whatever way you wish

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u/darkmacgf 46m ago

Do one for avoiding child abuse next please!

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u/Little_Ad_2874 42m ago

FUCKING YESSSSSSSSSSS 👏 👏 👏

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u/Izletz 41m ago

I’m not sure why these actual version of these tips are looked down upon. Something being illegal, morally wrong, or both never stopped people from doing them.

Hell people willing commit crimes that result in life in prison or death. Never leave your safety up to somebody else.

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u/Shoguns_Ninja82 28m ago

Sexual assault BTFO, the rapists will never come back from this one. Sure is a good thing criminals follow laws. Women all over the earth have been saved.

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u/bedpimp 23m ago

How about stopping when someone says no?

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u/Doctor_Amazo 3h ago

I think the easiest way to avoid sexual assault is by raising boys to not sexually assault people.

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u/furthestpoint 2h ago

Can confirm. Was raised not to assault people.

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u/Doctor_Amazo 2h ago

Same! I find it surprisingly easy to just keep my hands to myself.

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u/furthestpoint 2h ago

Some would say that I keep them to myself even when I shouldn't 😜

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u/hoseking 1h ago

The woman that sexually assaulted me when I was 14 obviously didn't get this lesson, maybe we should teach it to everyone and not just little boys?

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u/MindYerBeak 2h ago

Or maybe anyone at all. That'd be better

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u/gizzardwizard93 2h ago

Some of the time that works. However, you have men like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer who had from all evidence, loving and ethically normal upbringings, but had some serious psychological aberrations that went undiagnosed and untreated.

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u/Doctor_Amazo 2h ago

Yep. They are such a small minority of the population as to be a statistical blip and not really what's being discussed.

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u/PissPlop 2h ago

I mean 100% but some people already didn't do that. The reality of the world we live in is that some men assult people. Teaching people how to mitigate risk does not have to be the same as telling them it is their fault.

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u/cat_prophecy 1h ago

Why is it always treated as the default that boys will assault someone unless you tell them otherwise?

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u/TheBaykon8r 2h ago

It definitely starts young. I moved to an affluent town just before highschool, and these people were spoiled rotten, I hated living there. Was in health class and the days subject was about consent. Teacher asked the class if a woman was drunk could she consent, all the women, myself and another dude said she could not consent. The rest of the guys in my class (about 10 or so) said it's her fault for choosing to drink so she can consent. I tried to tell them otherwise but not like anybody would listen to me. I decided I had less friends that day.

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u/Nulono 1h ago

"Don't teach people to lock their doors; teach burglars not to burgle!"

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u/Ambitious_Egg9713 2h ago

When I was a freshman in college, they brought all the men into a lecture hall and said “don’t do anything that could be considered rape. Get very clear and positive consent. You don’t want to be accused of sexual assault.”

I remember thinking, wow these knuckle draggers have to be told to respect women. Insane.

But I guess this Cornell 7 story proves the point.

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u/mitigateaccomp 2h ago

well what the fuck am i going to do with all these "Nice Guy Tokens"TM?!

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u/Fit-Neighborhood5161 1h ago

I understand the point that's being made, but the other version exists because the pipe who do this are criminals. They don't sexually​ assault people because they don't know better, they do it because they don't care and are often too stupid to control their impulses or even empathize with the victim as a person who doesn't want that to happen to them.

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u/Alternative_Car_8153 1h ago

I would say, that describes the person who abused me fairly well. I wouldn't say they intentionally set out to harm me, but instead, didn't see me as human. But nobody cares about female on male abuse.

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u/Powerful-Award-5479 1h ago

Hmmm I guess I should put a sign saying "don't steal it" on my bike instead of attaching it with locked chains

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u/PropellerD 2h ago

Brought to you by Root Cause Analysis.

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u/Panpancanstand 2h ago edited 2h ago

.... So if I do the opposite of all this... then I'm more likely to succeed at achieving my sexy assault goals? Awesome!

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u/theFrankSpot 1h ago

Oh, no! How dare you put the blame and responsibility where they actually lie! Don’t you remember how to blame the victim?

/s

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u/Dangerous_Memory6008 2h ago

If you need this guide to stay out of jail you have a fucking problem, reminds me of religion, some people are only good if the threat of hell is there

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u/jared1259 2h ago

This sub is just AI generated crap up voted by bots.

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u/VladClaw 1h ago

Lmao, ngl I understand this is a joke and it is indeed funny but people do unironically say to teach these to "men" instead of teaching women how to navigate around it, which I dont agree at all, its like saying "please murderer dont murder someone" like if they were smart,civil and empathic enough to understand that they wouldnt do that anyway. I think both men and women should be taught since young age how to treat women with respect and also how to to be cautious respectively, which I also thought was common sense but I see nobody saying this.

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u/Rumthiefno1 1h ago

Women have been taught every which way to stay safe and nothing is changing.

Maybe the onus should switch to us men

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u/VladClaw 1h ago

Duh, thats why I said both, not "instead". Both should be taught

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u/Aryanxh 1h ago

ofc it should be on the fucking rapists and other such scum but the point here is you cannot control the world around you, all you can do is protect yourselves, as much as we would like a crime free world, the ones who go around doing it aren’t going to listen to a pamphlet

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u/VladClaw 1h ago

Exactly, like its common sense that stealing and murdering is bad, doesnt mean people should start keeping their doors open and instead thieves and killers should be taught not to do that. Im against victim blaming, so lets prioritise BOTH

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u/ThePartyLeader 1h ago

I hope they start teaching people how to not rob so I don't have to lock my car doors.

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u/PestilentPaladin 1h ago

Bud, nobody is seriously debating where the onus should rest. Men should be better and should police themselves AND people should cultivate defensive skills and strategies to protect themselves.

Two things can be true.

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u/NoBSforGma 2h ago

I was all "Grrrr..." when I first read this but then when I clicked on it and saw the "poster" - I had to smile!

The only person responsible for sexual assault is the person who commits it !!!

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u/thatsalotofrhinos 28m ago

They accidentally included a real tip in here though: Don't have sex with someone who is drunk or high. In a post-MeToo world, the only way to safely have sex with someone is while they are sober and record the entire thing, including their explicit consent.

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u/mrsmushroom 2h ago

Love it. Can't help but think it will get removed though. As some people, it seems, feel called out.

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u/AppleSlacks 2h ago edited 1h ago

It’s wholly correct in its messaging but I still don’t think it’s right to poo poo common sense when it comes to any crime, not just sexual assault.

If someone told me to lock my bike up due to the area around a store being a bit sketchy and I chose not to do that and my bike gets stolen it’s the same idea.

Who is at fault? The asshole bike theft.

Would I wish I had done something different? Yeah, I wish I would have heeded some advice.

Some advice is good, some is over reaching. It’s up to a person to decide what levels of precautions they are willing to put up with.

Why denigrate all of the advice though?

A real life example I can think of involved a family member stabbed while out running after sunset in a lit but sketchy area, while wearing earbuds.

In hindsight it’s like, the people that stabbed and robbed my family member were assholes. Surely he should have changed his behavior to help him avoid the outcome of getting robbed and stabbed though

Don’t run in that area at night, alone, while impairing your own awareness of surroundings.

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u/Less-Progress3515 2h ago

I got extremely mad for a second

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u/valuemeal2 3h ago

Not a guide, but also not untrue.

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u/HyperlexicEpiphany 2h ago

It’s definitely a guide. I saw a woman after reading this post and didn’t even rape her!

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u/SingleInfinity 1h ago

I think this sort of misses the point.

The point of posters giving people advice on how to avoid it on the receiving end are not saying the person is responsible if it happens. They basically assume that a bad actor (or someone at least acting in bad faith) is involved. You cannot control what other people do, especially when they are already choosing to act outside of the law/social norms. All you can control is the situations you allow yourself within. Again, this is not to say that the results are your responsibility. Just that you have some degree of control over your situation and there are ways to protect yourself better.

This conversation is a landmine because everything can sound like victim blaming if you want to take it that way, but the goal at the end is safety. You can both try to avoid situations and still not be responsible for them happening.

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u/Anon7_7_73 1h ago

This isnt helpful to victims though. 

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u/Chrom-man-and-Robin 1h ago

These are tips for potential victims reverse engineered for comedy.

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u/BingBongBrit 2h ago

Yeah I agree in principle and from a moral standpoint.

But practically.

If you are in a trench during WW1 and you decide to stick your head up and have a look to confirm that the opposition is infact still over there. And then unsurprisingly you get shot in the face and die. Who is responsible? It's the man that shot you of course. Yes of course it is, and further than this we could argue that the people/systems in place that put him there and equipped him with the capacity to do this are also responsible.

But does this finding of responsibility un-shoot your face? No it doesn't. So to avoid being blown around like a leaf in the winds of life you must take personal responsibility for your actions and the follow-up consequences they lead to. However I just or unfair they are, or however in the right you are.

I AM NOT DEFENDING RAPISTS, let them rot in hell.

I am rather encouraging people to use their brains in avoiding and mitigating risk. Rather than adopting a victim mindset where they can behave however they want and should bad things happen as a result they have no part in the bad things happening what so ever.

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u/PopsGG 2h ago

Its true, and it sucks that its true. Everyone needs to take steps to protect themselves from dangers. Regardless of what the danger is. You can control your actions, you cant control the actions of the entity posing a threat. Wear seat belts, dont swim in shark infested waters, dont clean a loaded gun, avoid tall grass in tick infested woods...

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u/Dafedub 2h ago

Totally agree. It’s just unrealistic to try to eliminate men and women who are evil. Pretty sure the good people of the world has tried many times. But more are being born and raised in evil every day. So let’s be accountable for the situations you put yourself in.

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u/LaDreadPirateRoberta 2h ago

You know, it's possible that someone, somewhere, has also thought about this and given advice to victims.

It doesn't stop this guide being any more relevent but it does tell on you that you can't see it without looking for one for victims also.

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u/beachysdan 2h ago

Totally agree, unfortunately you can't really have this opinion here without getting attacked for it. It is important for people to also have situational awareness and not do dumb things that put them in a bad spot. If the infographic was about mugging instead then it would get this sentiment from everyone because it is common sense. It is a lot harder to fully eliminate mugging crime then to encourage people to have better awareness of when and where they go places. Of course, there are times where people get mugged at no fault of their own but generally you can avoid it with basic danger instincts.

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u/wynnduffyisking 2h ago

Are you in all seriousness making a comparison between being a soldier in a trench and a woman just living her life?

Do you think a woman should go through her daily life with the same caution and vigilance as a soldier under fire?

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u/FakeKenny22 2h ago

All men know doing these things are wrong. Bad men won’t care. This post if taken seriously accomplishes nothing.

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u/Some_Target2436 2h ago

I have a rape flute!

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u/USDXBS 1h ago

The US military is loyal to rapists and pedophiles. They'd never allow this.

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u/Eclectic-Goongasm 1h ago

That is both inappropriatly funny and actually needed - my username aside... I really beleive too many people need to see this!

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u/regaphysics 1h ago

Yeah, don’t lock your front doors either. Totally nobody does that. Because it’s the robbers fault. Stop victim shaming us in the no-lock community!

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u/fake-reddit-numbers 1h ago

Is this what they've been handing the refugees in England?

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u/andrew_calcs 1h ago edited 22m ago

I wish I didn't have to be feared in public. All of this info is true and rational and is more than worth the cost of what my discomfort is paying for. But I still just wish I didn't have to be feared for being a man, or accused of supporting rape culture for voicing that thought.

But ignoring my personal discomfort at being an implied potential rapist as a default state, there's also the fact that this type of message is actively harmful in its results despite it being completely correct in its contents AND intent.

A sizeable number of considerate men who see this type of messaging end up disengaging from interacting with women entirely out of a respect for their boundaries. Leaving more of the remaining approachers being men who fundamentally have less respect for boundaries. So the net result on the type of social interaction this message incentivizes is counterintuitively harmful to the average interaction. This further reinforces the "all men are assholes" perception, causing a massive survivorship bias that makes people double down on this message further, worsening the problem.

This is not speculation, and it's not a minor effect. It's showing up in the data trends in sociology journals. The results are staggering.

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u/mrdankmemeface 2h ago

This is stupid. No one disputes that an assaulter/rapist is 100% responsible, but there are obviously steps you can take to protect yourself. Not taking those steps doesn't mean you are now partially responsible, but it can be smart sometimes to take precautions. If my phone gets stolen by pickpockets in a busy market, it's 100% the fault of the pickpocket. But at the same time, if I keep my phone in a zip pocket and keep my attention on it, it will obviously make it less likely to be stolen.

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u/tally-strobe 1h ago

These comments are insane. This guide triggered all the rapists and their enablers.

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u/bananabastard 1h ago

How to avoid scams? Don't scam anyone.

It's not my responsibility to not fall for bullshit scam marketing; if someone tells me to give them $10k and they can turn it into $100k, the only person responsible is the person I give my $10k to.

Great advice.

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u/IJMSC 43m ago

See, what Reddit doesn't get with these high-horsing, holier-than-thou kind of preachy POS posts is that the people who sexually assault others don't give a shit about these kinds of images. They know it's wrong. They don't care. They do it anyway.

This kind of stuff is just virtue signalling and doing a lil moral group circlejerk. "Haha look guys, look at how not-rapey I am, aren't I a good person? Praise me, come fellow redditors, let's be morally superior together!"

Listen friend, this is normal for everyone. Making a point of how good you are at not SA'ing someone, now that's weird.

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u/cabbage16 28m ago

You honestly believe that this post is supposed to be an actual guide? Come on. It's clearly about pointing out hypocrisy and double standards not actually teaching people how to not rape others.

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u/Kind_Advisor_6969 1h ago

Wow, that's a great infographic!

Can we have a "How to avoid killing your own children" guide next? :>

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u/oxooc 3h ago

Don't do bad things, mmmmkay

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u/LCDRformat 3h ago

It's a satirical commentary on victim blaming 

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u/Exita 1h ago

We get that. The point is that telling people to take sensible precautions isn’t victim blaming. You wouldn’t call telling someone to lock their car victim blaming….

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u/eirinne 2h ago

#2 is a dare

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u/blacksheep_1001 1h ago

Should add one more. if you really need to have sex, go and pay for it

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u/Bloody_Champion 1h ago

What part of this is avoidance?

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u/MammothAd135 1h ago

This works maybe on the average guy who doesn't think before he acts but not on more serious sexual assault perpetrators. So yes... People do need to learn how to avoid being prey. That's different from victim blaming.

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u/PS5OWESMEALIMONY 1h ago

Kanye definitely wont like number 7.

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u/Totemguy 1h ago

Its cool. But the people who will think so won't need it.

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u/alexthegreatmc 1h ago

I get the joke/satire.

I also don't see the reverse as victim blaming or shifting responsibility.

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u/Ephixing 1h ago

Im surrounded by all of the world's biggest dorks

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u/lokingforawc1 44m ago

This feels like when Dora the explorer tells Swiper: "Swiper, no swiping!"

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u/General_pragmatism 38m ago

Don’t hang with doctors and engineers

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u/OnlyACsNoFans 32m ago

This is unhelpful. Rapists are going to rape, taking precautions to mitigate risk isn't a bad thing.

You wouldn't walk around the bad part of town at night flashing cash everywhere

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u/the_real_deal_feel 19m ago edited 9m ago

The give pamphlets like these to people who arrive in the UK by small/mega dinghies. Not a joke.