severian at least has something to appeal to but I think he's going to be the solo november banner so..
roxy was the one 3.0 character reveal I was like "oh she might be interesting" followed by nahhhh who this girl and outfit straight out of fucking lobo's wardrobe
Severian is going to reclaim the crown for the worst-selling banner. He’s (probably) right before Sunrbinger, husbando mains have saved a polychrome stockpile for him, and he’s had barely any build-up beyond just being a stern police boss.
If they do it, I wouldn't be surprised. The banner before Sunbringer, the character who has been anticipated since the game's launch and the old VH trailer. They'd want to milk those three girls like they actually were about eos.
shooting the males dead in the streets then people unironically say "See guys? Male characters don't sell well! Just ignore the fact we absolutely put them in the worst possible conditions known to mankind!"
Seriously what the fuck were they cooking with Haru and Hugo bro, genuinely dead on arrival except for people who just wanted to fuck around
Nah, I think Roxy's personality and design has a strong appeal, the nail in the coffin for her is her kit having very low value to the point that there's hardly any reason for people to use their pulls on her outside of just liking her. She's currently not even BiS for Claret.
I personally think they underperformed because Hsin doesn't feel strong enough, Blackbird's design is meh (witch + feet?), and Roxy feels like a character initially intended to be a 4-star
It’s weird that players would skip Claret for Phoenix. An all new class that is shilled in the endgame vs another Fire Anomaly. Who knows, maybe I’m biased because I already have Burnice.
A completely new class is the unknown - and this scares potential buyers, and the character herself is generally very convenient for F2P, you literally put two standard characters in and that's it.
On the other hand, Phoenix, it's absolutely clear who this is BiS for, while the character herself has literally become a meme.
I'm convinced that people will pull her not even because of the meta, but because of how clueless she is.
All the Attackers and Rupture agents can brute force Kisarakku anyway + Sunbringer will 99% be an Armorer Void Hunter, so most people are saving. And, Phoenix is BiS for Remielle teams, so she’s a priority for those who want to clear Adversity.
I legit just use the Remielle-Velina team to brute-force both Kisarakku with Burnice and Integrated S.Horizon with Aria and they're working great lol
I'm gonna just get Phoenix to push the Remielle team's ceiling even further. For the Armorer team, I'm just gonna just wait for Sunbringer to fill that role for my account. If she needs Claret, then I'll just get her on the rerun later down the road.
I have the Ramielle-Velina combo too, and that team is the most element weakness dependent team ever. I don’t really care about pushing the ceiling for that team, as long as I can element-match with Burnice whenever the boss is fire weak, I get decent scores anyway.
Next patch is a full skip for me, I already have M0W1 Claret ready for Sunbringer and I need the time to save up.
phoenix is mandatory for anomaly to function in the future (alongside remielle + velina, those three are required) otherwise you just don't benefit from end game buffs. claret can work better with norma over roxy, funnily enough.
Sunbringer exists and remielle exists. Anything that helps those 2 will overshadow everyone else. So phoenix will do well
Claret and Roxy got yeeted into massive skip territory. Electric dps and 3rd meta stunner when we don't ever need 3 stunners at the same time.
After remielle and anniversary patch and before a remielle BiS. They were never gonna sell well
I started in 2.8, but the whole rupture thing didn't go over well. Outside of saving, there's the hesitancy of new class and the future of armored.
I pulled Claret. I think she's great. I also didn't have an electric DPS and her theme was cool. I'm skipping Roxy (for now) as I have Dialyn, Norma, and my Lycaon is pretty heavily invested in.
Her being a new class is pretty much why people are skipping her since she has no dedicated team yet and is not that easy to pick up. Besides, most players are saving after last patch. On the other hand Phoenix is slated to be BiS for Remielle/Velina, and whilst Burnice does work well it's looking like Phoenix will be a whole different level. Even if she ends up being not as strong as people anticipate I imagine many players won't mind the opportunity to save more. I also think that Claret being electric might have put some people off as I was very much anticipating her to be fire.
I keep reading that Phoenix is that much better than Burnice for that team, but is it on a completely neutral playing field, or is it using the Shiyu and DA buffs that are gonna be present during her patch? Those Shiyu and DA buffs are particularly nasty because only 3* agents can even activate 60% of the Anomaly centric buff: Phoenix, Jane, and Aria* (Needs her M1), so any Anomaly team not featuring them results in a pretty hefty score loss. Phoenix herself is apparently on par with Burnice without Remielle, and worse than her without Velina so it seems Phoenix is even more team reliant.
Burnice is off-field anomaly while Phoenix is on-field anomaly. Just like how Vivian and Aria are both Ether anomaly but they are played very differently.
I mean the game is AZZ (Anomaly Zone Zero). Phoenix will most likely be paired with the recently released main push (Remielle) so more incentive to skip Claret for her..
People don't know if they gonna need to save for all 3 sunbringers or its just gonna be 1 unit that's gonna get released, better to prepare now and sacrifice this patch and the next lol
For those on America servers, her banner isn’t even a day old yet lmao.
ZZZ is never beating the “no one sells except for void hunters” allegations. The devs literally sideline the current running agents in favor of them even in the main story. It was especially bad around Remielle’s patch and it looks like it’s continuing with Sunbringer.
Meta wise she's heavily tied to Claret anyway, with "potential girl" stuff for future wind shenanigans.
Character wise Roxy absolutely revolves around Claret.
Even ignoring the whole yuribaiting vs ML shipping discourse, she can't even have a moment away from Claret without her conversations with anyone else being about Claret.
Design wise she's a small, petite girl in a class thats completely oversaturated with them. And those other girls are simultaneously stronger and more flexible in team comps.
Story wise she barely has screen time, and
is currently kidnapped in the main story, so you even have a bit of plot ignoring nonsense doing her trust events on release.
It's like they're not even trying to sell her at this point.
ZZZ is never beating the “no one sells except for void hunters” allegations. The devs literally sideline the current running agents in favor of them even in the main story. It was especially bad around Remielle’s patch and it looks like it’s continuing with Sunbringer.
I'd rather have only void hunters being sold than the need to pull every new character like in HSR just to stay relevant in the endgame meta
I mean, expecting a good storyline from a gacha game is a bit weird. Besides, I don't want ZZZ to turn into the verbal diarrhea that HSR is, where you constantly have a bunch of useless characters in the plot just to fill some quota. I prefer shorter storylines that get straight to the point. Sure, the character development for certain characters might suffer because of this, but to me, it's better to focus on things related to the main plot rather than adding useless details about specific characters just to bloat the narrative.
I'm not gonna say double dps wont be good but that's doing a lot of heavy assuming you can't do hypercarry just as well, or if it's even better than dual dps.
Of course there's also the angle that pulls aren't free, and if it's either/or, most zzz players are gonna choose the void hunter every time
Your last sentence is what will probably happen. Also, Roxy will be kinda useless for the team since she can only contaminate wind and one other element. And I doubt SUNbringer will be wind/electric instead of some special fire or ether attribute.
I personally don't see it, but she has her fans who are claiming that Sunbringers release will magically make a Claret/Roxy/Sun team work but I'm not sold personally.
I just think we'll just see a Wind Support who does what Roxy does better.
It's the spending events specifically, which usually coincide with the Anniversary/New Year. When Sunbringer drops in a few months, expect another spike there.
Hoyo trying to sell yuri in a game with a ML audience was certainly a choice. Plus Claret is the first DPS of her archetype. Sunbringer who will most likely also be an armorer DPS is what everyone is waiting for.
yeah sure bumping into alice one time is 50/50 compared to yuzuha and alice hugging and holding hands and having all their interactions and entire story based around each other. whatever you say. it's only confusing because you people have ZERO media literacy even when the game beats you over the head with it time and time again.
holding hands is literally the lowest bait you can ever go compared to what they cook with roxyclaret, what do you even talk about? do you even play the game in the first place?
Alice hangout event especially the last part about constellation;
the first summer quest itself having alice being close between yuzuha and proxy.
even if you compare overall alice first apperances with claret, you'd see how much lopsided it is favoring Alice than claret in terms of {character} x MC interaction.
meanwhile claret have far higher yuribait than Alice:
- having dedicated EP/PV for bait complementing each other
- dedicated scene for yuribait complete with the usual romance troupe played for no reason than baiting. even alice yuzuha scene mostly played with context such as serious tone because dire situation in Main story, Yuzuha being revealed involved in Alice father death, or In first summer event Yuzuha being worried for alice
Tbh, i don't play ZZZ, so you are very welcome to correct me. But didnt all of those examples that you mentioned also have very big moments with the MC? So people were more easily able to ignore the yuribait and move on to focus on to the ML bait.
But from what ive gathered, none of that happened with Claret, which is why she is a lot more disliked and made a lot less revenue
Alice and Astra had some MC moments but Yuzuha and Eve only in optional side events that aren't even voiced and most of those characters fanbase barely bring up. I stopped playing in 2.5 but people overstate how much ML ZZZ has imo although it definitely has the most of the 3 Hoyo games
no, yuzuha and alice was straight yuri bait with no MC love interest. and they are the last non void hunters to sell well. like double everyone else since then sell well.
You know when male Zzz characters like billy do bad you can at least say 'well how much of a male fan population are you going to have when you release 1 dude every six months' ...
But ZZZ released five kid-looking characters so far this year and several child character skins -- kid enjoyers are a thoroughly catered to group -- and only one of them actually did well(the one tied to miyabi) with the rest doing poorly and now 'worst in the game'
Also Billy and banyue dont even visibly look like men but you know. Counts as a dude.
Maybe severian will be the new worst banner soon but again, a character for a largely ignored part of the fanbase. Not a character for a privileged group thats getting characters/skins regularly.
Hugo hit sales rank in the 30s before a void hunter last year(a 'bad' performance). Now is the year of children and second banners are hitting 70-114 but people like you dont want to talk about that.
Meanwhile HSR went from 11-16 second banner performances to 11-19 and Genshin hasnt gone below rank 7 with a debut in the past year. So weird that only one of their three games started dropping hard and its the one that keeps doubling down on child characters(5 of them now and several skins in 2026 alone?)
Meanwhile HSR went from 11-16 second banner performances to 11-19
And this game is still low effort trash comparing to ZZZ. But at least you're ready to pay for this garbage, aren't you?
So weird that only one of their three games started dropping hard and its the one that keeps doubling down on child characters(5 of them now and several skins in 2026 alone?)
Seems like someone keeps ignoring the fact that one of the highest-grossing Genshin banners featured loli (Nahida), lol
Lol you kidding me with bringing up an archon. They haven't released any child 5 star since then by the way. Guess they werent as impressed by her sales as you are.
based zzz devs focusing on loli characters (not even true btw) rather than wanting to make money (hsr makes enough to fund the game anyway). True passion project, AOD so popular in fan relevance that the devs win doing what they love anyway, while redditors seethe about it.
Congrats to SBilly on the fact that the trash husbando character turned out to be slightly better than trash yuri character. Husbando fans and Yuri fans have proven to be the most broke clowns in gachas
I'm more surprised by hsin performance though, she severly underformed but this region just hasn't been that amazing so most likely people are saving for 4.X and further, I personally really liked her.
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u/anondum 7h ago
we've hit the point of too many banners crammed into one week and billy lost his title of worst zenless banner debut. congrats roxy