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It likely makes a fraction of the revenues of Genshin as it is mobile exclusive. However, it costs practically nothing to develop. Easily the most profitable game on there.
All hail to our Fairytopia impact. All hail to her majesty The Tsarista. I know both Vesna and Vodya are skippable meta-wise but I still get them for their wings and mermaid tail. Six year and still going strong.
Can't believe I was able to make 2 Stellar teams for Stygian Fearless. I remember struggling so hard with the Lunar teams, since the other one had to make do with my C2 Aino.
Edit: And my account also have ALL of the Lunar characters except for Flins (sorry, Nod-Krai has too many girls for me to skip), so I'm one of the lucky ones. Good luck to anyone trying to bruteforce Fearless Gecko.
Putting LADS continued abysmal performance in context: in September they finally posted their first multibanner since cancelling Valko which was a huge red line for many players. There was a big wave of account deletions and people finally giving up on the game. It's been over 100 days since this boycott started.
Infold threw EVERYTHING at this banner. Every monetization trick they have, including a new "gratitude" point system for extra spending. New outfits, reset their top up store, even offered coupons. Huge "everything must go!" liquidation sale vibes.
And none of it mattered. Their revenue is still not recovering, the player base has shrunk, and the fandom is dying. They killed the golden goose and are standing around its corpse, surprised it's not laying any more eggs. It's baffling. They have no more tricks in their bag. They threw everything into September and it all failed.
And whatever parasocial fandom they do have left, they tried to POISON them with extremely poisonous cocktail recipes using flowers that'll make you finally see Valko IRL
Someone compiled the estimates from appmagic and qimai, and then compared the current banner's performance to the other multis pre-boycott. And this is what they look like apparently:
After 6 years still (or again) at the top is a big feat for Genshin. Deserved though, they have been incredibly consistent. It's like a perfectly running clockwork.
Endfield and Neverness to Everness makes me wonder how Ananta will be received.
Don't get me wrong Ananta looks great but had a similar vibe to N2E, which makes me think if people will dip out a few months later
The market is just way too saturated. It's at this point the older games like WuWa, Hoyo games for the big budget 3D games have established their audience and it's free falling from there with the next big thing (Ananta, Silver Palace) going to cannibalize the playerbases of games that are still getting their foot out the door. Of course this is all armchair speculation since for all we now they're doing completely fine with the relatively new model where mobile isn't the end all be all for earning
They they really cooked us. Two cool characters with exploration abilities. I love Vodyanitsa's transformation. And Vesna has been the most fun I've had in Genshin in a long time. Not to mention I got a free Varesa who is goated as fuck for exploration. This patch was an absolute win.
I wonder what Naruto mobile is like. Global version has a browser game that is similar (at the first glance) and barely anyone cared about anything but meta (hating opposing groups/players seemed to be what drove people to spend money so they can beat each other up (in game))
Anniversary buff with a double banner for Genshin, it did pretty well all things considered. Neither Vesna nor Vodyanitsa are what you might call particularly Hyped units, but they both god enough involvement in the story and have solid places in the current meta with Stellar Swirl and Freeze teams respectively. There's probably gonna be a steep drop around 7.2 but for everyone who's decided to roll for Fish and Fairy, there's someone else who decided to save their Primos for the next characters.
Mitya has also been pretty popular with the fanbase, so we can already tell he's gonna stabilize user spending until the following patch, when the Tsaritsa should probably be getting released, as the case tends to be.
All in all, Genshin has been keeping a pretty good pace since Nod-Krai ended and I wounder what the average month spending will look like once we get to the end of Snezhnaya.
Despite how much Twitter and Reddit hate on it, I definitely think Miliastra was a good call for Hoyo with how stable the revenue has been since it released. The game has only dipped below $40m twice in the last 12 months.
Majority of the complaints just seem to come from people who want Hoyo to cater to their wants. Or schedule the game around their personal circumstances. Or both.
I just hope they don't bend over to the Devs Listened meme and just do their thing backed up by surveys and internal gathered data.
AKE and NTE made me wonder if we already reached market saturation in open world gacha games
as in GI and Wuwa already captured most potential player market and too invested to move to other games considering how time consuming to main more than 1 open world gacha. the big launch crowd simply return to their game before and only handful stay/convert to the new game loyal player while not much "fresh player" (never play gacha open world before) remains to capture
Yeah, I think that's why Hoyo is diversifying with Nexus Anima going "Pokemon" style and Nodusfall going Souls/Monster Hunter style. The usual formula for open world gacha games just doesn't cut it anymore.
You also have to consider that GI offers many payment options, which causes the mobile figures to drop significantly, as these are not included in the calculation. There are also top-up bonuses if you use the site. For example Hoyo advertise the TopUp Store too.
In general, the mobile numbers without all the nerfs would be much bigger — it's insane.
They’ve been promoting the top up site for a while now but this is the hardest I’ve seen them go. Sponsored a bunch of CCs including smaller ones on both the global and JP sides and I think KR as well, I’ve only seen Sechi tho. As for ZZZ, I think they’re starting now, I saw canna promoting it
AKE and NTE may not be making the most money - but they are making a lot of money. If they keeping making around what they are now each month they will be fine. And AKE with the factory stuff makes it pretty niche. A lot of people aren't really interested in that aspect.
AKE is in a weird spot too. They had 1 new banner in this whole month.
My guess is, they wanted to keep the game in the oven for a bit longer but checked they would miss the mark before market saturation and decided to release the game early.
If we're honest they're probably healthy but not making as much money as others managed to.
AKE is in a weird spot in general, and I'm saying this as someone who really enjoys the game (incl. the factory).
It very decidedly doesn't want to follow the usual 3D gacha conventions Genshin essentially created for their niche - we have no real leak community (or leaks, beyond a questionable scant few), pulling beyond a single copy isn't really worth it as there is no "real" endgame that incentivises you to spend and dupes are generally not really much of an upgrade, weapon banner is gated by character pulls and subsequently not something you can focus on, building characters is a one-and-done kinda task so people dont keep farming RNG equipment...
Mind you, I'm not saying all of this is bad, but I feel people who are used to Hoyo games, Wuwa and so on have a different set of expectations nowadays. If I wasn't so into the lore and visual design I'd probably lose interest too, tbh. However, some of the ideas it has are so amazing that I want to see where it goes eventually.
I'm really rooting for endfield, it is very different from the other big gachas and the art, visual and sound design is too peak in that game, also the story keeps getting better so think they will do good in the long run.
Genshin is its own thing and has huge following of casual players, meanwhile it feels that other games have same-ish audience that just moves from one thing to another.
And it makes sense they are going for more niche (base building or city activities), since it might attract some players who never tried those things before.
Everyone could tell it was an awful idea to split the fanbase. The original bandori was already relatively niche, and they went and made an even niche-r version. Insanity from Bushiroad.
Most of the bitching is about Endgame and powercreep. Which effects less than 1% of players, and doesn't effect whales as they E6 every character anyway.
Always crazy how much GI always earns with all the Nerfs considered
JP/KR Other Regions insane IOS debuff --> More and more people use the TopUp Store
Heavy advertisement --> through HoYolab / eMail / Ingame / Many CCs advertise it to use it
TopUP store is one of the biggest Search Terms looking at JP
So many factors in general
I think player many not realize why Genshin still on top 10 is never about because of their gender ratio. Its always about character relevancy and interaction. Even the latest summer event had all Fontaine including some popular npc albeit some of them is cameo but voiced. Now the Moonchase even with how funny Zibai and Zhongli lol. next patch is the most economical for Genshin. Everyone will involved.
Not just that, the presentation just continues to get better. The scene in restaurant with Danica where her dialogues change based on your actions, and the coin fight
When I talk about how involving old characters and making the story not just like a date/121 actually helps the world feel alive, I get told "Not everything has to be like Genshin." And I'm just like bro, that's not a Genshin thing. That's a story thing. 95% of stories told in a serialised fashion have a recurring cast of characters. And when they don't there's usually some other artistic value they're going for instead. As opposed to monetary concern about selling one character.
It’s hilarious when you bring up the importance of ensemble recurring casts adding depth to characters and you get people brushing it off saying not every story has to be like “hoyos”. Like bruh, play any actual jrpg and you’d realize hoyo is just really inspired by jrpg stories .
This is exactly why I adore the Anecdote feature that gives you a quick look at what x character is up to today, even without it being tied to the main story. It's very slice-of-life, like I enjoy getting a peek at whatever new stupidity Itto got himself into from time to time.
The fact that u can always just see the meeting point characters even outside any quests is so awesome, i love seeing odette and her dancers on the stage and flins doing random shit on his island
I mean if I have to choose between a game that does good after sale and a game that does not, I would choose the former. And Genshin double down on having more interaction with the characters since they introduced travelogue and meeting points. Even 1.1 character like Childe gets tons of anecdotes, it’s reassuring that your character has higher chances of not being completely abandoned. Justice for Emilie though.
Genshin 6.0 - 7.0 has like 80+ hours of voiced content (since they do a substantial amount of voiced content outside main story) along with the open-world, major world quests, and side-content such as TCG/Teapot/Miliastra Wonderland. Also decently optimised.
It still ties to gender in one way or another, because here, every character is given a chance to shine, including the male casts. Like, comparing how male characters are treated in terms of screen time and plot relevancy in Genshin or HSR to other gacha games like WuWa or even Endfield is like night and day. They had an entire event dedicated to Benett, the recent AQ had the male casts play a crucial role in the story, especially Pierro.
I can't even remember the last time a male character in WuWa had any sort of plot relevancy or even an added screentime beyond a couple of cameos and cutscenes since maybe Jiyan. Even Herseen, the guy marketed the most towards the ladies had the shortest story quest in the game.
and I also think that Genshin is still one the best (if not the best) regarding of how they involves their NPC to their world building and story. from like Lepine Pauline level to Ninnin and Zeitlind level (have their dedicated story as a world quest).
I love that Genshin somehow make use of their NPC to the point that some of them is basically has dedicated fanbase because of just how good and memorable they are.
Teyvat is feel so alive thanks to them. like I can just blindly go to Tsurumi island and instantly remember about Ruu :(
Yeah, it really shows how much passion Genshin devs have for their game's worldbuilding. It's not perfect but still wonderful.
It's not just about selling 350$ chairs and pushing only playable characters crying stories, but overall Teyvat storyline. Not just playable characters are highlighted but NPCs too. Sure, some lore is very hidden only in books but most of them are getting revealed and explained in the story later.
World Quests are always free and doesn't promote as brute ads to make you pull the playable chars, they show Teyvat stories where NPCs are the main characters alongside the MC. Some event stories are also NPCs centered.
Nearly all 120 playable chars are still appearing to this day in new quests and in the future we can expect all characters appearing to prepare to the endgame. It's so epic and motivating.
Genshin's devs have been clever in how they keep previous areas and characters integrated with the plot. Though there are areas that haven't been visited in a little while, the cast of those areas tends to show up here and there.
Also, not gonna spoil anything but the Epilogue of Act IV seems to be headed in a direction that will lead to a mass return from older characters.
Exactly lol. Ngl, when I first saw the Snezhnaya teaser, the only ones I was interested in pulling was Mitya, Danica and the Tsaritsa. Now I want all of them because of how amazingly integrated they are in the story, except my money can't get all of them lmao
this September was expected to be 25+ million actually. at least that was what someone believed. you gotta see how many paywalled items in the game rn, the brand new anticipated multibanner they currently run, and you'd laugh and point that this is can only adds up 2M from last month with much less event
From the looks of it, they only made 2 million difference compared to last month. And for all of their banners, they would easily get above 20 millions every month, but this time they couldn't get any, even when;
Most anticipated multibanner + new paywalled shit + top up reset + limited cumulative top up rewards called the "GRATITUDE POINTS" = expected to make at least 30 million.
BUT they didn't make it past 20.
So that says a lot. They happened to get top 5 because all the other gachas aren't doing so well either, we're in that season now.
Lads finally back in top 5 and all it took was a dry patch from almost every other gacha game and then spamming stuff and a spicy banner 😑 considering Lads is in another drama I predict they will go down again if there is only reruns after this month when the spicy banner is over
So I've noticed this the past few months, but the Reverse 1999 CN revenue estimate given on enneaed has seen literally zero movement either up or down over the past months. It can be shrugged off in other cases, but we literally just had the carnival patch, and as you can see in the attached image, zero changes either positive or negative. And it's not just this month, this was the case for previous months as well, though I don't have the images for those. So uh, just giving a notice of this fact, that ennead is obviously for some reason not picking up the R1999 data correctly.
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