r/nba • u/MembershipSingle7137 Celtics • 17d ago
[Charania] Done deal: The LA Clippers and Raptors have both agreed to complete the trade sending Kawhi Leonard to Toronto for Brandon Ingram, Gradey Dick, two unprotected first-round picks, one first-round pick swap and two second-rounders, per ESPN sources. The sides will now schedule a trade call.
[Charania] Done deal: The LA Clippers and Raptors have both agreed to complete the trade sending Kawhi Leonard to Toronto for Brandon Ingram, Gradey Dick, two unprotected first-round picks, one first-round pick swap and two second-rounders, per ESPN sources. The sides will now schedule a trade call.
https://www.espn.com/contributor/shams-charania/67163f117708a
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u/Iptv-provider-here Philippines 17d ago
So that Pascal Siakam trade eventually led to Kawhi going back
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u/YoloGuyz Warriors Bandwagon 17d ago
Time to plant some trees in Canada boys
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u/GreyMatter22 Raptors 17d ago
We will make sure he actually plants a few, with shovel in hand in photos.
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u/lalakingmalibog Mavericks 17d ago
I have an idea, lets make an image of Kawhi looking like Groot!
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u/1000littleaccidents Raptors 16d ago
Careful now, thinking like that might get you a head office job with the Clippers.
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u/Kimi7 Lakers 17d ago
Dude is leaving the country, logical solution for him tbh
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force 17d ago
The FBI pressing charges against him and Canada refusing to extradite him would be the best way for this to play out lol. He’d only be able to play in home games, which I’m sure he’d be fine with.
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u/RealCanadianDragon 17d ago
If every Canadian planted 1 tree, that would be enough to cover 1 year of money for him
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u/r3d-wolv3s 17d ago
One of the most common summer jobs for Canadian University students btw. Tree planting for logging companies is a whole lifestyle up here.
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u/Michipotz Nuggets 17d ago
Isnt Canada like... 90% trees? Lmao
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u/brainspl0ad Clippers 17d ago
Tbf, they did have a huge fire recently.
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u/oh5canada5eh Toronto Huskies 17d ago
You would be surprised what percentage of every state/province with abundant forests is on fire at any given time.
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u/rgarc065 Heat 17d ago
Kawhi for BI, Dick, picks
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u/leafsnation2k4 Raptors 16d ago
BI,G. Dick, Picks.
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u/TheOrangeFutbol Clippers 16d ago
Imagine the graphics if Grady re-signs with the Clippers, if you catch my drift...
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u/D_Simmons Raptors 17d ago
lmao Bi dick pics
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u/Hugh_Jankles [DAL] Dirk Nowitzki 17d ago
How does 35 year old Cap Circumventing Kawhi Leonard get a bigger trade package than Luke Doncic lmao
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u/w3bCraw1er NBA 16d ago
Exactly but the NBA can't investigate that huh?
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u/Papa_Joe_Yakavetta [LAL] Xavier Henry 16d ago
They’re not going to investigate themselves for rigging the draft to get Luka to LA
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u/razoRamone31 Mavericks 16d ago
To be fair, Davis was statistically a top 15 player lol... But I agree lol
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u/zepistol NBA 16d ago
Who is always injured and old compared to mvp talent 26year old they traded for
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u/D-PIMP_ACT 16d ago
Because the mavs didn’t talk to anyone else…
Most of the teams in the league would’ve offered more than AD and max Christie…
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u/ngerb_5 Pacers 17d ago
BREAKING: Ballmer needs Dick to help get over breakup with Kawhi
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u/iXeons 17d ago
Son
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u/Dark_Spirit_Zy 17d ago edited 17d ago
Nah, he plays for LAFC
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u/SUPERSAMMICH6996 Cavaliers 17d ago
Kawhi's back-door deal leaves Ballmer raw, looks to new Dick to soothe things over.
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u/RaisinDetre Suns 17d ago
Why is it that I've been reading Dick comments for years (KU fan) and yet I never get tired of a single one?
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u/Frequent-Ferret-5110 Clippers 16d ago
sometimes it's just fun to let yourself enjoy something really stupid and harmless
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u/Envelope_Torture 17d ago
Drake gonna be busy arranging more no show deals with Kawhi so he signs that extension.
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force 17d ago
That’s the thing I still don’t get about the 2019 saga. If he was just willing to do some minimal work for endorsement deals Canadians were prepared to make him a gagillionaire. He had an entire country of fans behind him, and while hockey will always be king in Canada, the Leafs have been a disaster for decades and the immigrant population in the greater Toronto area loves the Raptors.
He could have been the King of the North but instead decided he’d rather get paid not to plant trees. Dude screwed up his legacy so hard.
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u/dillpickles007 Hawks 16d ago
Uncle Dennis straight up asked for an ownership stake in MLSE and they told him to kick rocks lol
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u/Exchange_Hour 16d ago
I don't know for sure but I believe the reporting was he asked for a stake in the Raptors. They informed him that it was actually MLSE and that was impossible, not that the Raptors was possible, but MLSE is entirely inconceivably impossible
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u/indoninjah 76ers 16d ago
For all the people saying Kawhi is at fault for all of this, this is the reaction that the Clippers should've had.
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u/ToplaneVayne Raptors 16d ago
Everybody knows the Clippers should've said no and reported it, the reason Kawhi is getting singled out is because unlike the Clippers he didn't face any repercussions for partaking in the deal.
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u/Bat-manuel 16d ago
But the Clippers paid him. His uncle requested partial ownership OF MLSE. He wanted to own the Leafs to stay. It's insane.
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u/IHazenArgument 16d ago
To be fair, even with his shady bullshit, he still probably would've been one of the better owners the Leafs have had.
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u/S0SNSFW Knicks 16d ago
i mean if you can go home and get paid the exact or maybe even more in endorsements, with NO WORK, instead of minimal, literally anyone would take that deal.
i dont ever fault any athlete who wants to play for their hometown.
if anything, he used the raptors as leverage for the clippers.
all im saying is that if kawhi stayed in toronto, new balance would be number 2 after nike. he had an entire country in a stranglehold trying to get those “board man gets paid” and “fun guy” t shirts, and they didnt release until he signed with the clippers…
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u/AutographedSnorkel Rockets 17d ago
We finally have a meme worthy teammate for Gradey Dick...Keaton Wagler. Let's go
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u/SkepticCritic 16d ago
There’s Darius Garland too…perhaps you have heard the Sexton Garland duo’s nickname?
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u/ShootTheMailMan DeMarcus Cousins 17d ago
How do the first-round pick swaps work? LAC doesn't have picks . . .
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u/StarBug_II Raptors 17d ago edited 17d ago
They do have their 2027 pick. It was 2028-2032 picks that were revoked. They already had their 2027 pick traded as a swap with OKC, so the league left that.
edit - Their 2029-2033 picks have been revoked.
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u/thrawn_is_king Clippers 17d ago
It's for 2027 I think Where they already had a pick that was swapped with OKC now they could swap it back to Toronto.
The sanctions start in 2029 and five years from there.
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u/PastaCheed Spurs 17d ago
How tf are yall so fast
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u/WhyRedditBlowsDick 17d ago
It's botted and it's been pointed out before that anyone else who manages to post before them gets their post removed.
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u/NoTrillionaires 16d ago
Bot is a script/program 10 years ago with slightly less technical skills/time. It’s a shame that the general public thinks AI/bot is the next skynet or some bullshit.
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u/MyLadySansa [NYK] Jalen Brunson 17d ago
So glad all ends well for innocent soul Kawhi
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u/dating_derp Warriors 17d ago
Crazy they still got 2 unprotected 1sts and a 1st round swap for him. Clippers are desperate for picks, Raptors should've lowered the offer.
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u/Legitimate_Cow_4166 Warriors 17d ago
Then another team would've jumped in. The demand for talent exceeds the supply. It's why these owners resort to this shit in the first place.
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u/captain_ahabb Lakers 16d ago
The NBA is also a small club where everyone deals with the same people over and over again. Reneging on an agreed deal to screw a team over would not be well-received I don't think.
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u/freshOJ Hawks 17d ago
Yeah, if the raptors don’t include both picks I think Atlanta would be able to beat the raptors offer with expiring contracts.
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u/brainspl0ad Clippers 17d ago
I might be dumb, but how do 1st round pick swaps work if we got ours taken?
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u/gazing_sunspots 17d ago
Cost of getting rid of BI's contract.
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u/IanicRR [TOR] Amir Johnson 16d ago
And I cannot stress enough how awful Gradey Dick is.
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u/Potential-Comment960 17d ago
I mean if you look at it as just for kawhi, then I'd agree, but you're dumping BI's contract which you would've had to add picks to get off of anyway.
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u/sakata32 [LAC] Sam Cassell 17d ago
It was dumb that people kept thinking that would happen. Its bad practice and will make people not trust verbal agreements in the future from raptors front office. And if they changed the deal clippers would shop somewhere else too.
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u/lottolser Raptors 16d ago
Either team changing the deal would look bad to all other teams that neither team would be of their word and untrustworthy. Like in the PWHL Detroit made promises to trade their 1st round pick during a roster freeze for Hilary Knight as a sign and trade, they also promised their players and her they'd sign her. After the everything went back to normal Detroit ended up winning the 3rd overall pick they already had promised to trade to Vegas. They could've back out of the trade, but man would that look bad on them so they made the trade and kept their word.
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u/deleted-user Raptors 17d ago
Raptors traded away the two players that contributed the least during the playoffs and replaced them with Kawhi Leonard. Both BI and Gradey were negative contracts - it would've cost a first round pick just to get rid of BI's contract alone.
I'm not surprised the terms haven't changed. Since Kawhi wasn't suspended nothing has changed in the Raptor's perspective. Negotiating in bad faith like that guarantees that other GMs won't trade with you ever again.
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u/YourAsianBuddy Knicks 17d ago
Kawhi barely getting punished and then gets to go back to the Raptors is the finesse of the century.
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u/onefootback Raptors 17d ago
THE EAST BETTER WATCH OUT DEMONS HOMEEE
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u/samhit_n Lakers 17d ago
It’s crazy that 3 teams out of the Pacers, Pistons, Cavs, Magic, Hawks, Heat, Wizards, Raptors, Knicks, Celtics, and 76ers could miss the playoffs in the East next season.
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u/cleo22270 Heat 17d ago
Ballmer wanted Board Man to sweat one out before making the trade.
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u/MddlingAges Knicks 17d ago
I'm not sure I would have done it if I was him. Because if Kawhi DOES WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP NOW, THE YEAR BEFORE AND AFTER HE WORKED FOR ME WHILE FAKING INJURIES TO EXTORT ME FOR ILLEGAL INCOME that would just be a supervillain story arc. I don't think I could face it without torching the whole thing down at least symbolically.
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u/rejus_crust Raptors 17d ago
Idk why so many Raptors fans (and other fanbases) are tripping about this.
We are clearly more likely to be a good basketball team with Kawhi Leonard than we are with Brandon Ingram and Gradey Dick (and whoever those picks turn out to be in the future).
This is more likely to move us closer to contention than the assets we are giving up would.
No need to overthink things.
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u/sportsinaround Hornets 17d ago edited 17d ago
In terms of basketball Kawhi seems fairly healthy and just made an All-NBA team last season with 28ppg on nearly 50/40/90 splits. Sure, he remains a health risk, but people acting like moving on from BI to Kawhi isn't massive are genuinely stupid. Scottie has been getting better and better and RJ has come a long way from where he started as well. One of their biggest issues was individual shot creation causing stagnation when the game slows down which Kawhi excels at. They have a good mix of size and defense. Nearly won 50 games last season and took Cavs to 7. Now they've added a multiple time champion who is levels better than BI.
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u/Kingcanute99 16d ago
And 3 players (KL, SB, CMB) who are elite defenders against like size players, and can switch 1 to 5 somewhere between good enough and perfectly.
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u/jakers300 76ers 17d ago
3 firsts really softens the blow of their punishment
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u/NinfthWonder Raptors 16d ago
Those picks are likely going to be at the end of the draft, especially on the front end.
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u/r3d-wolv3s 17d ago
Raptors are a real contending top 4 team again. Buckle up.
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u/HedonCalculator Raptors 16d ago
The East is such a fking blood bath this year. Hoping for a Raps vs Sixers series. Would be so cathartic for the winning team.
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u/PropDrops 17d ago
Kawhi has an opportunity to do the funniest thing now
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u/SnooCupcakes3114 17d ago
Ask for an under the table deal?
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u/ag_fan Magic 17d ago edited 17d ago
win a title and leave for LA
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u/BeesPhD Raptors 17d ago
I'd be okay with this only if he also ruins the lakers for the next 10 years.
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u/PropDrops 17d ago
I was thinking just a title but winning and then heading to the Lakers would be extra funny
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u/LukeBabbittologist 17d ago
This year was on par with 2016 and 2019 off seasons and this was absolutely the craziest off season of the 2020's decade. 2016 will always be number one I've personally witnessed though between KD and once in a life time league wide cap boost that is now illegal in the CBA
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u/ForsakenCherry8333 Spurs 16d ago
2018 free agency/trades gotta be the most random ones in league history ever, like kawhi to raptors, bron to lakers, demarcus cousins to the warriors, tony parker to the hornets, melo to houston, dwight to washington, and then the draft with trae, luka, and shai.
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u/AlwaysRightNeverLeft Nuggets 17d ago
How is the pick swap gonna work? The Clippers dont have anything to swap...
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u/Redpin :sp8-1: Super 8 17d ago
Well you see, uh, when you swap, uh, lemme start over, the picks, they uh...
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u/sammybwise53 Lakers 17d ago
All I saw when I skimmed the paragraph was “Dick” and “unprotected”
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u/FeeNegative9488 17d ago
So at the end of the day this boils down to the Clippers only having 2 1sts in a 5 year span. That’s a common occurrence in the NBA.
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u/steeeeeeee24 Raptors 17d ago
I don’t hate getting Kawhi as he’s the best we can ever get, but I hate that the clippers are getting actual compensation. We shoulda said kick rocks
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u/Haunting_Test_5523 17d ago
The Clippers can also say kick rocks to a deal that doesnt involve unprotected picks
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u/sakata32 [LAC] Sam Cassell 17d ago
They you wouldnt get kawhi. I'm sure detroit would do a kawhi rental for 1 pick.
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u/RelevantTreacle3004 76ers 17d ago
Why is everyone saying that the Raptors got fleeced now? It was a good trade then and it's a good trade now.
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u/Independent-Size-258 17d ago
What happens if the clippers don't have a pick to swap?
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u/TheI-Iound 16d ago
Gradey Dick has been the single biggest stain on TORs otherwise spectacular draft record over the passed several years. Glad to put Dick behind us
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u/brainspl0ad Clippers 17d ago
Man. Get him the fuck outta here. Who knew I'd be more excited about him leaving than signing him to begin with.
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u/Chrisdkn619 Lakers 17d ago
Raptors owner doing Ballmer a solid on his way out. I'm sure it's a wink and a nod as they all try and pull the same shit
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u/SkepticCritic 16d ago
Better to not fry relationships down the line a decade from now, anything can happen in the NBA
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u/Prof-Ponderosa Mavericks 16d ago
How do you do a 1st round pick swap when you don't have 1st round picks to swap?
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u/Financial-Grass-6114 16d ago
This is why I dont think clippers are as screwed as people think (atleast from an assets POV). Their front office team management are decent so they'll bounce back quickly. They just got unlucky with this Kawhi and Paul George bet.
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u/zeroxray Vancouver Grizzlies 16d ago
Contract should be voided and trade nullified. This trade benefits the cheaters too much
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u/AtreusIsBack NBA 16d ago
Now imagine what the Luka trade would have looked like if Nico wasn't such a snake and shadow traded him. The haul would be biblical.
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u/catscanmeow Raptors 17d ago
man imagine how awkward it would have been for BI and Gradey to come back to the Raptors.
that would be soul killing, Dalton Knecht style, never the same again