r/classicwow • u/redlow0992 • 4h ago

Forever Beta Feedback Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

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u/OXBDNE7331 3h ago

One negative is that if the majority of the group has already completed the dungeon quests and one person needs an out of the way mob or item good luck getting the group to clear towards it

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u/darkspy13 3h ago

Exactly how I felt trying to get attuned to BT in TBC Anniversary after they added the ability to skip to Vashj. Good luck finding a group willing to kill a now optional boss to help get people attuned.

Thinking about it, the same Blizzard that created that attunement challenge also created this dungeon situation... So it makes sense.

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u/Nessarra 2h ago

And when that boss is Karathress..

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u/darkspy13 1h ago

Yea. that one.

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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 22m ago

Blizzard: We heard you LOUD and CLEAR! So we have removed all attunement requirements.

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u/forceof8 1h ago

Thinking about it, the same Blizzard that created that attunement challenge also created this dungeon situation... So it makes sense.

Its not the same blizzard, lets just be clear on that. This is an entirely different company than the one that created classic and TBC and diablo 2 lol.

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u/salvafree 1h ago

Find a good tank, I am always willing to help other run the full dungeon if one needs it. Unless time pressure for work or so. I think it is about communicating

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u/darkspy13 1h ago

It's just silly that the tank who is also my level won't get exp.

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u/happyilyrednow 1h ago

Isn't that what guilds are for?

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u/darkspy13 1h ago

Yea. our raid groups almost all fell apart. we were in a guild with 4 25 mans and they couldn't put together a non-skip SSC. We had one but after the announcement 10 people backed out of the run and good luck pugging it.

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u/Crellis86 1h ago

Isn’t that where you can just form the group by telling people ahead of time that you are doing all quests/attunements from the beginning?

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u/darkspy13 1h ago

It's somewhat difficult to form a 25 man SSC and lead it to kill one boss. I know people who typically raid lead will say it's easy to do.

We had just hit 70 and I haven't done SSC since TBC Classic 3(?) years ago, so I didn't feel confident leading a 25 man full of alts looking to down some relatively difficult content since the next tier of raids had just dropped. I say alts because I don't believe any BIS Phase 3 pieces come from Fathomlord or the bosses leading up to him. So you aren't going to get many mains to actually carry the group.

Knowing the pulls, boss mechanics for tanks, healers, dps, marks, cc's, dealing with loot distribution (SR is easy enough to manage) but yea.

If it would have been Mag/Gruul, I would have totally done that.

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u/Crellis86 19m ago

Yeah, but this isn't a unique problem. Any new character would be in the same boat, right? So whether it's a dungeon quest being skipped or a raid boss needed for attunements, there should always be a stream a characters that need it unless the game is dead?

When it comes to dungeon quests in wow Forever, finding 4 other people who also need the quest will be ridiculously easy, but people (OP) are acting like it'll be an impossible challenge when the game isn't even out yet...

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u/Bigtim_90 28m ago

Lol all this tells me is you ignored the attunement for months and are upset groups won't go a half hour or more out of their way just to accommodate you. Sounds like someone needs to stop projecting and maybe do the content when it's relevant or even form your own raid instead of depending on others to do everything for you.

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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 22m ago

Sounds like someone needs to stop projecting and maybe do the content when it's relevant or even form your own raid instead of depending on others to do everything for you.

Yeah if you are who WoW Forever is for, I'll pass lol

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u/Bigtim_90 20m ago

Awesome, I look forward to not having to see you bitch and moan in general chat.