This is my exact argument on why if someone starts attacking you and you beat them. You should be able to beat them unconscious before leaving, because he could come back with a hammer and kill you. He let him up from the ground when he should have put his foot through his face to be safe
You dont simply beat someone unconscious, life is not the movies or a cartoon.Â
If you knock someone to the ground their head can bounce on the pavement. If you proceed to kick them, you can cause brain bleeds, death or turning them into a vegetable.Â
Guess what happens to you if you do that. I know reddit has a complete disregard for human life and all and runs purely off emotion but cmon now.Â
The dude was walking back with a tire iron? He intended to do more damage than just having a head hit the pavement. White guy started it, and you have to protect yourself
The victim here made the right legal decision based on the information he had at the time he let him go. He didn't know he was going to go get a tire iron (unless he yelled out "I'm going to get a weapon"), so he can't use excessive or lethal force on someone who has stopped fighting and fled the scene. (Caveat: in some states, he could be justified if he claimed had a reasonable fear for his life, but that would be an uphill battle in the legal system, especially for a black man.)
When Mr. Pickup Truck leaves the scene and returns with a weapon, he is starting a new assault - a felony assault with a deadly weapon. If the victim drew a gun or a knife, that would have been fully justified.
Morally or legally You dont have a right to kill, mame or further harm someone once they were retreating in most scenarios. The right to further self defence only comes once he has obtained the weapon and starts to make his way back over (which is to say if he armed up and sat in his truck you wouldnt have right to attack him over it)
Exactly. The thread started with someone saying you should be allowed to beat someone unconscious because they might escalate if you let them flee. Then someone said (paraphrasing) "you can't do that legally, and it's showing a shocking disregard for human life to use lethal force against a non-lethal threat." Then someone points out that he did come back with a weapon, implying that beating him unconscious was the right call. Which led me to say you can't argue backwards from what did happen to what was legally justified earlier.
So yes, I am following the thread, and I agree with you.
Itâs always the person whoâs never been in a fight, thatâs always trying to set the rules of fighting. All your pretenses will fade the second someone hits you.
True danger is a frightening place to be, and itâs not like watching a video. Never trust the person youâre fighting has boundaries.
You could learn from Ender Wiggin. If someone attacks me there are no Marquess of Queensberry Rules. I will never start a fight but if someone starts one I will end it whatever it takes. A single punch can kill someone so any attack must be considered attempted murder. If the attacker is KOd I will leave, if they are not I will continue. This is a perfect example of why, the return with a deadly weapon.
also don't do that for legal reasons. this is a great way to grab a twofer: a felony battery or some kind of "attempted blah blah" from the state in criminal court and get sued civilly by the family of the "victim". no traffic bs is worth the months or years of that hassle, and being right or having the moral high ground doesn't always translate into courtroom wins. but it will certainly translate into many many thousands for lawyer fees. road raging douchebag is flying off the handle? create distance, record, call the cops. if he smashes your car, great, more ammo for the insurance and the lawsuit.
Itâs America, heâs allowed to have guns without being a cop. This is just a city slicker pretending to be a rough country boy by driving a truck, yet doesnât have a gun.
That redneck bro definitely doesnât live in the city. He has no street smarts. The other guy beating the redneckâs ass lives in the city, though. He handled it cool until he was attacked.
She was out of her element. I don't know what women think would happen when they assault a man in the street.
It's a good thing this altercation was caught on camera so the guy in the white car can show he acted in self-defense.
Yes, it is on the internet. Iâm just saying this will come in handy to prove the other party approached him while he sat in his car. The way the woman went down like a chopped tree I wouldnât be surprised if she slammed her head or neck on the curb; but she struck first. (He just got first bloodâŚ)
You're orders of magnitude more mature, wise, intelligent than those here who always just go straight to, "ah well, death deserved." Same fuckwits who'd be chanting at Salem Witch trials because they're so impressionable and reactive.
For all the talk of acceptance, this place turns rabid the second they have a reason to hate somebody. As soon as it looks like they've done something bad. I don't mean the wealthy leaders and politicians, that's a whole separate discussion I don't want. You see it a lot with celebrities, or when reddit collectively discovered/fell in love with "fuck around, find out"
Well a lot of times they can get away with it. The old teaching was, âyou canât hit girlsâŚ.you canât hit her she is a womanâŚetc etcâŚ.â
As a man you felt defenseless because you cannot defend yourself. We all have heard the common linesâŚ.âwhy donât you just run awayâŚ.just hold them downâŚcall the copsâŚno way this woman hurt you, she is smaller than youâŚ
For the most part men just accepted this part of being a man. However, these younger dudes are moving different. They are hitting these women back when they decide to lay hands on them. It is wild because some do not hold back.
Why hold back? She came up and hit him. I donât see a reason to hold back because she has a vagina.. she wrote a check with her hands that her ass couldnât cash. She deserved it.
Having been abused for years by a woman and then ultimately arrested for false charges in an incident where I was the victim once again, I no longer think that way. I now support those guys. Women like this have just never in their lives faced consequences or accountability. Plenty of men have learned that lesson through a punch to the face..
I have seen some crazy chicks hitting men and then getting body slammed or knocked out cold. The thing is even when a man had to knock out a woman due to self-defense the men almost never hit twice or never deliver follow up shots, combos on women. One punch, one bodyslam, one hip toss, one takedown. So they still hold back. Almost never seen guys going beyond necessary self-defense.
Meanwhile these ladies hit many times. When two women fight they whale on each other and pull each other's hair for as long as their cardio lasts or someone separates them.
Men want to end the fight. Women want the drama, annihilate the other.
My point that I was sarcastically trying to make is that anyone attacks you, in a group setting or no, is a threat to your life - because people frequently get hit by something small and get knocked out to die, accumulate brain damage, kill nerves or spinal connectivity, etc.
My mom hit my stepfather with a frying pan once, knocked him out. She was always the instigator. He never hit her, he just wasn't a violent person. He also never left her, which i will never understand, because she was definitely the abuser in that relationship.
was thinking this exact same thing. everyone here is obviously satisfied by these 2 getting their ass whooped. but the guy in the car DID escalate the situation and go above and beyond what was required to stop the altercation. and then the third party (the woman) got the worst of it and looks like she could have hit her head badly in the fall. not to mention the race of the people. i think he will have a hard time in court with this one
She stood behind him waiting for an opening, lol. Then throws the weakest little jab, then get's leveled with one hit. Then her dude just leaves her laying in the road to go get a tire iron. These people man.
Too many women donât expect to be hit back. I say this as a woman and that mindset infuriates me. Equal lefts and rights and all that. If you swing on someone imo- be prepared to get hit back regardless of gender.
I had a friend when I was about 17-18, (I no longer associate with), who slapped a guy on my porch she was talking to. I was sitting on the side of the porch behind her and they were standing on the porch. I donât know what their disagreement was but she slapped him hard and clearly didnât expect him to hit her back. It wasnât the first time Iâd seen her do this to a guy either.
And she was right.
It pissed me off so badly I stood up slapped the everloving fuck out of the back of her head. She spin around all pissed off with her hand up and I reminded her if she followed through that I would absolutely hit her back and would likely be able to beat her ass.
Funny how suddenly she lost her nerve to slap when faced with repercussions.
I respect that take honestly all he's gotta do is connect 1 time and it's a done deal. But he looks like he's never hit a man in his life until he got his ass whooped so I'm guessing he doesn't know what he's doing.
It's pretty hard to hurt someone with a hammer if they are stronger than you, unless you surprise them. A hammer is terrifying if the attacker is bigger and stronger, but it's not really going to even out an unfair fight.
I don't care about the color, a hammer's a hammer, but he paid the Pink Tax for this one. Probably to ensure the toxic masculines won't steal it; smart.
His logic: This guy rocked me while I and my girl were at 100%. I am now at 50%, my girl is at 0%, and he is unharmed. I better go back and finish him off.
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u/DaRealGladi8r 6h ago
đ bro walked away from his wife after she caught a fade