Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

[u/redlow0992]

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

[u/ConniesCurse]

if people are only doing dungeons a single time people won't be running them enough to actually know the skips. Metas like skipping develop because people have to run content a billion times. I think this problem is overblown.

Skipping will not really be worth the effort when you only have to do the dungeon a single time.

[u/Insidious_Bagel → u/ConniesCurse]

You are failing to account for the fact that forever encourages you to level multiple characters for legacy talent points.

This is also not accounting for dungeons 55+ where people will be running multiple times for the gear drops.

Also speaking from personal experience most people also run the dungeon around 2-3 times to snag a few gear drops. I imagine this will be even more common now that they are nerfing the quest rewards

This is absolutely a problem and needs to be addressed. Mt first run of RoL was glorious with the group exploring and figuring out where to go. By the third day of beta the runs turned into chuds pinging the optimal route and getting annoyed when people pulled extra packs

[u/ConniesCurse → u/Insidious_Bagel]

This is also not accounting for dungeons 55+ where people will be running multiple times for the gear drops.

that's not relevant to this discussion because that's gonna happen either way, has nothing to do with exp changes.

Even if it does happen to some extent, I would prefer the dungeon changes stay as they are personally. Some people are going to be toxic in dungeons no matter what you do. I really enjoy doing a single run and getting a fat exp payday for it, the potential downsides to me, are easily worth it.

Another reason I think people will not be skipping much, especially during the launch period, is that failed skips is one of the #1 ways to wipe in a dungeon.

[u/Dunkelz → u/ConniesCurse]

that's not relevant to this discussion because that's gonna happen either way, has nothing to do with exp changes.

That's why it's relevant lmao. It counters the argument of "no one will do dungeons more than once" by pointing out they will in higher dungeons.

[u/Seranta → u/Dunkelz]

He didn't say that. He said metas won't develop when people only do the dungeon once. That's the entire premise of his argument. Ergo you're arguing about something entirely else, which is irrelevant.

[u/Eyelemon → u/Insidious_Bagel]

Skip tech is rendered useless by dungeon quests that specify “kill 10 of this kind of named mob”. Plenty of clever ways to keep people doing the actual content when the quests award the lion’s share of the XP.

If you’re loot hunting, a few skips seem reasonable.

[u/Mend1cant → u/Eyelemon]

Plus, if you’re loot hunting, your peers are out-leveling you. 

[u/GreatBandito → u/Eyelemon]

only if you aren't routing to kill the right amount. This only works if there are like the exact amount of the enemies needed then even then it probably would be more optimized to only kill half twice or something like that could even be kill the first one and reset instead.

[u/LimbonicArt03 → u/Eyelemon]

If you’re loot hunting, a few skips seem reasonable.

Well, that's not really the case in dungeons like BRD where the standard arena+emperor skip runs end up skipping entire bosses... which is where a shitload of great +healing preraid gear drops

[u/Eyelemon → u/LimbonicArt03]

That’s true. But BRD is massive and was kinda designed for boss skipping. It’s certainly not a typically designed dungeon.