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u/EmploymentClean8038 7h ago

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u/arcanis321 6h ago

His sin was acknowledging the ugliness of yours and refusing to accept it. He hates and blames humans I imagine.

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u/JEBADIA451 6h ago

I do. I wanna know what he uses for lube to get in there. My bet is butter or rendered reindeer fat.

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u/xczechr 5h ago

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u/Simple_Channel5624 5h ago

Dude is going broke if he is using Kerrygold. This stuff is pricey but worth it. Makes my wife's shortbread taste like Danish puff without the icing. Thank you Ireland

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u/BBC-dont-show-BBC 5h ago

It's not reindeer fat. It's people fat. Why do you think the song "Grandma got ran over by a reindeer" exists.?! That's how he gets his supply.

https://giphy.com/gifs/7NTs0UJDuYz0k

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u/LordBoar 5h ago

Remember he also carbonises the rest of the body and hands that out to "bad" children.

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u/stonnerdog35 5h ago

I figured it was polar bear fat. And he uses the deer as baite. Cos thay are kinda safe thay can fly.

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u/Odd_Professional7005 5h ago

I bet it’s French and expensive

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u/Endless_Story94 5h ago

It's specifically chili peppermint oil.

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u/Plus-Professional-84 5h ago

Sweat, that is why he wears spandex under his suit. He is actually in a banana hammock when he puts the gifts under the tree

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u/tallglass24 5h ago

I know what he uses but I can’t believe it.

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u/Comfortable_Card_146 5h ago

Nah it's just spit, spends the rest of the year gathering it for the one night. He leaves the suit on the rood though

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u/TheHugeRichard 5h ago

Naa, he just spits on it.

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u/ecpella 5h ago

The answer is magic you idiot!

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u/down_with_opp_42 5h ago

Don't think so. Would be quite dangerous residues in a chimney. My guess is some perfluoropolyether oil that is not flammable.

Unfortunately I cannot make my own research as we don't have a chimney.

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u/DanJirrus 5h ago

Ben Folds has a song about this…

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u/The-Spirit-of-76 5h ago

Immortal Reindeer cost a fucking fortune, that is rendered elf fat, I bet you money. Notice you don't see a graveyard at the workshop. Where are the bodies Santa, WHERE ARE THE BODIES?

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u/sccccrrrrt 4h ago

I think it's reindeer spit. Thats why there are so many

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u/Playful-Park4095 4h ago

That's why he's fat. He self lubricates from his own generous lard reserves, but it leaves him an unsightly skinny Santa at the end of the night. It takes a full year to re-bulk, which is why Christmas is only once a year.

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u/jules6815 4h ago

Of course you went to lube. That’s an engineering mind who’s looking for better solutions.

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u/buffystakeded 4h ago

Probably just astroglide

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u/NabreLabre 3h ago

He sweats shortening from all the cookies

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u/unicornlocostacos 2h ago

If there’s a fire going, everyone is waking up saying “breakfast smells amazing.”

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u/RainyDeerX3 2h ago

Nah, he's gotta be using Ghee bro

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u/BehindJiu 2h ago

Baby oil. Of course.

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u/SmootherWorm 2h ago

News this Christmas Eve, plump elf is squeezing through every tight hole he can find, brining packages, and stuffing stockings.

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u/Inevitable-Fish2739 6h ago

Why didn't god just kill satan the moment he went rogue? Is he stupid? Very big plot hole there.

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u/OMGFuziion 5h ago

Reminds me of this

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u/TheDonkeyBomber 5h ago

Classic protection racket.

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u/tittysprinkles112 5h ago

If you look at God through the lense of an abusive Dad when you read the Bible makes a lot more sense.

"You're nothing without me! You're a worthless wretch!"

"See! You look what you made me do! It's your fault I destroyed the world!"

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u/Weekly-Reply-6739 4h ago

I read the bible and see god as an insecure narcissist who wants to be like how I am IRL, but often is too afraid of rejection or not being told he is a good god.

As thats how god acts and what he demonstrates.

He also embodies the whole "do as I say, not as I do" as acting like gods insecurities is a sin

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u/ReasonableEmployee41 4h ago

I think god totally reads as a game developer. "Fuck, I didn't program you to do that! Why are you doing that???"

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u/Weekly-Reply-6739 4h ago

You know what, that is a funny way to look at it. I can respect it.

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u/blowvhater 3h ago

This makes trumps self alignment with god make so much more sense

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u/BossRaider130 3h ago

There’s a classic joke, possibly grounded in reality, about a missionary being questioned by someone he’s trying to “save.” Essentially, god wouldn’t punish anyone who isn’t aware of his existence, right? Correct. Then why the fuck would you tell me?!

I believe Terry Pratchett uses this in one of his books, concluding with a policy that all missionaries are to be shot on sight.

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u/In2Oblivion49 3h ago

🤣🤣🤣☠️☠️☠️🤣🤣🤣

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u/GideonWren 2h ago

That's mine now

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u/Stxaos 5h ago

What will really fuck with your head is if god knows everything he specifically made lucifer to revolt so he could then punish him. Same with apple. There is no free will according to bible

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u/Boogy-Fever 5h ago

But there is because my parents told me their pastor said so

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u/Aggravating_Fruit170 4h ago

The fairytale says it was a fig. Apples aren’t a thing in that area of the world

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u/SpidudeToo 4h ago

God's plan is just him saying 'Eh, I'll fix it later if it gets too bad'

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u/Striving_Slowly 2h ago

I don't believe God was originally conceived of as all knowing. The parts of the Bible that use that language are the poetic parts. The parts that are supposed to be accounts posit god as far, far beyond us, but not necessarily all knowing or all powerful. The old testament especially God actively seems to change His mind about stuff all the time. That's not the behavior of someone who is all knowing.

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u/Blasckk 3h ago

Why didn't God kill Satan before he went rogue... why did He even create him in the first place? He's supposed to know everything that's going to happen, but His omniscience seems a bit lackluster... Or else He's extremely incompetent at wielding it.

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u/GroundbreakingAd8310 5h ago

Then allowing a war u know the outcome of but could have also prevented at all. None of it makes any sense at all. The talking animals always get me too. The snake in the garden was a story prior to concept of Satan. Its nust a regulsr talking fucking snake.

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u/uUexs1ySuujbWJEa 5h ago

Something something all part of his plan. Something something to test us.

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u/TheAmazingSealo 5h ago

Yeah that's why he put dino bones in the ground it all just makes too much sense

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u/Beneficial-Wing-3944 5h ago

test that he dont need to do since he already know the result

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u/CreaseCallHockey 5h ago

If you put pictures of biblically accurate angels throughout the entire bible for these people to see they’d treat it like the Flying Spaghetti Monster religion lol

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u/RaygeMunstir 5h ago

No sir I believe that's incorrect

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u/Pirate_Spy_Guy 5h ago

You’re entitled to your opinion thats fine.

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u/Frosty-Tennis-1687 5h ago

Secret service, probably. They really shouldn't be encouraging it though.

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u/Ok-Professional-1911 5h ago

It's not even canon. It's fan fic made up by some guy that wanted to dunk on all his haters while propping himself up.

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u/Spr0ckets 5h ago

That’s easy. He’s a Time Lord and his sleigh is a Tardis. It’s why the bag is bigger on the inside.

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u/jml011 5h ago

We question the logistics of fiction all the time.

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u/Skittleavix 5h ago

“Optimistically, God’s pronouns would be “they/them” because God is everywhere; but realistically, it’s “no/none” because that shit isn’t real get your life together”

- Kyle Kinane

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u/EpochRhythm 5h ago

Maybe it’s an allegory

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u/TheKennethChase 5h ago

Guy who can’t conceive the idea of talking about fiction because it isn’t real

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u/FerdinandTheBullitt 5h ago

The story of Job starts as a double dog dare from Satan but this is what gets people asking questions?

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u/Natural_Witness7572 5h ago

It was explained to me that due to time zones he has a full 24 hours to deliver all the packages.

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u/Deinonycon 5h ago

No, see...that's the point. If I've learned anything in life it's that fictional characters in a narrative have to have clear motivations, reasons for their actions, and the foundations of their character have to make sense or else it's considered poor/sloppy/lazy writing.
Real human beings often do things that make no sense whatsoever. Things that if you were to simply document what they did and use them as a character in a story you'd get accused of bad writing.
Satan is a great character...we need clarification here.

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u/pauldiddy79 5h ago

Most religions stemmed from astrology and are plagiarized from Horus and the stories of the constellations.

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u/Enderwave94 5h ago

Would you morons just stop trying to tempt a fourth crusade?

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u/iamnotbatmanreddit 5h ago

You don’t question but it’s a fair question. We are allowed to know it’s not real but also try to make sense of what the originators thought.

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u/wildfox9t 5h ago

ok but for real as i recall Satan and Lucifer were 2 distinct entities that got merged into one with time as new writers kept adding their own to the bible

because it's al made up yes, but i find it interesting

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u/Dryanni 5h ago

I demand consistent character motives in fiction. Sometimes when unclear, I make up my own.

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u/Art_Crime 5h ago

You can entertain an idea without accepting it. In fact, it's good for you to do so.

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u/depopulation_time 5h ago

Said every atheist until their near death experience, they're on yt if U want to watch them

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u/Background-Word-857 5h ago

Difference is, nobody but children believe is santa, christianity is one of the most prolific religions, of course unverifiable how many members truly believe any or all of it, and with the many braches, they cant agree what it even is

It should probably be "lunatic shit for lunatics" but instead acting on your believes is actually protected by law 😅

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u/Friendly-Young-9949 5h ago

Or you can go the route of it’s heaven propaganda. As history dictates, the victors writes the history books 😏

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u/Teabear-Septim-II 5h ago

And what about homes without chimney? Does he squeeze himself through the door gap?

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u/Own_Inspection8350 5h ago

You leave Santa out of this

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u/Melodic-Log-2543 5h ago

Um, actually, Santa does it in like 32-36 hours... so, its a day and a half...

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u/revluke 5h ago

You are actually right. Dante’s divine comedy. It isn’t from the Bible.

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u/blackbeltmessiah 5h ago

Santa is a 4th dimensional being

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u/attemptedactor 5h ago

Have you watched a single TV show or movie? People care a lot about fiction making sense

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u/Oblipma 4h ago

Logistically inaccurate 😭

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u/Loose_Trust927 4h ago

Finally thank you

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u/Survivedthekoolaid 4h ago

People discuss how events in fictional literature happen all the time. Imagine running into a Star Wars convention and spouting "ITS' NOT REAL!". Like it or not there's a narrative story being discussed, not a theological fact finding mission.

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u/Ptucker212 4h ago

Woahhh edgy take broooooo

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u/TheFourthPlanet 4h ago

I think you’re response is very funny but I also see why people seek meaning in ancient texts whether they believe them to be totally based in reality or otherwise. Old wisdom can go hard sometimes

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u/Aggravating_Link_129 4h ago

Yeah, Islam is fake as Captain America

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u/-Flintskalle- 4h ago

I mean, I like stories. I enjoy trying to wrap my head around the lore and make the world make sense. The fact Dark Souls or Lord of the Rings or whatever is fiction doesn't reduce my enjoyment. Likewise, deciding how the fatman can reach every child's home in one night has lead to some banging children's cartoon episodes. Enjoying stupid shit just makes life way more fun than being overtly cynical.

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u/dj92wa 4h ago

Society makes fun of kids for having invisible friends, but supports it (and institutionalizes it) through adulthood if you call it religion.

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u/DangerousRemote9496 4h ago

Resposta pra do papai Noel: baby oil com certeza. 😂😂

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u/PrairieStoic 4h ago

Santa is a magical creature. That’s how.

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u/weishen8328 4h ago

but you do care when a different fat man tells you to pay your taxes and show up to work on time. it's an ancient story of keeping people in line and what happens if you don't.

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u/Miserable-Clock-6944 4h ago

Your correct answer doesn’t mean THE correct answer.. nobody knows

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u/-SheriffofNottingham 4h ago

Now let's all sleep and dream fondly of Santa's big fat dumper coming right at you down the chimney and smothering you

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u/TheSaltyTarot 4h ago

christmas magic, my dude. 

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u/LeadFreePaint 4h ago

Fuck that. There are few things more entertaining in this world that an incredibly smart human using reason to explain away their ilogical beliefs system.

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u/TrickLobster9999 4h ago

I like to believe satan is a sadist and indulges in evil things. So I am guessing the rationale goes something as “if you don’t obey God in doing good, then you probably obey Satan.. you deserve to live with Satan who enjoys doing evil things.. like torturing his followers?”

The ultimate pizza though is .. does Satan himself get punished and tortured for disobeying God? If so, by who? God sure as hell lives in heaven and has a good time. And Satan also seems to be having a good time, albeit in hell, in his own way.

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u/DMMusic61 4h ago

This guy is a peak redditor

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u/Lonely_Sherbet_9239 4h ago

He got fat after loving coca cola so much, he changed his outfit to match their colors and wouldn't stop drinking it

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u/ProfessorJim 6h ago

This is my Satan headcanon 

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u/chernopig 5h ago

He wanted free will for humans and god didnt like that. Im always on team Lucifer and i dont think he would torture anyone in hell. But it's a fiction so completely pointless to argue about.

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u/Mothanius 3h ago edited 3h ago

Lucifer wasn't the one to challenge God's authority, nor was it Lucifer who was the serpent that tempted Eden with the apple. Lucifer was only ever named once in the bible. And it didn't even really have anything to do with what modern media attributes Lucifer to. It was more like a taunt of "Hah, look how you have fallen oh Lucifer!" That's about it. Historians think it may be a taunt to some historical human figure like the King of Babylon.

Now Satan, occurs 18 times in the Old Testament. He's kinda of a big deal in the New Testament. In the Old Testament he has a specific job in the divine order of things, he's a nemesis, but not necessarily evil. He didn't like that beings made of clay (us), were gifted free will from God, but perfect creatures of fire (angels) were bound to the divine will of He. And frankly, look at how we behave, he saw the darkness in our hearts. It's his divine duty to challenge us and block us from the path of god so that we can overcome him in order to reach God.

The root word for Satan can also attribute to just a mortal being too. A political enemy blocking you from trying to, let's say, pass a law to provide free healthcare can be deemed a Satan. They are the nemesis you must overcome to do the good deed that you need to.

New Testament Satan kinda of has his divine job going still, especially when dealing specifically with Jesus. But by the time of Revelations, he's full on rebelling and gets tossed into Gehenna at the end. Almost like Revelations was some weird fan fiction made by some drugged up hermit in Anatolia and should hold absolutely 0 consequence to the bible and the message of Jesus. But I don't want to get into what books were allowed in and what ones were buried.

Edit: When I was 12, I got into a religious crisis because of the demonization of Satan that I normally heard. When reading, it is obvious that he's a being tied to the divine will of God, thus, what he does, is what God wants him to do. Since he, an Angel, has no free will, every evil he does should properly be attributed to God.

That got me really thinking into what the divine mission of Satan really was and what his purpose. I remember crying one night and praying to God on his behalf for forgiveness because what he does is what he is supposed to do and I didn't like how things were supposed to play out in Revelations. That's also when I abandoned going to any church for religion and stuck to what I can read or learn.

So I always loved to say that the Bible turned me Atheist.

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u/MasterDiiscord 1h ago

bro, revelations is the wildest book in the bible. it reads like a straight up fantasy novel. it feels so out of place in comparison to the rest of the book

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u/nhalliday 4h ago

Gotta love every person responding to you clearly believing in a different branch of Christianity (or Judaism) and asserting that no, their version of the mythology is the correct one and it's different from what you said so you're wrong.

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u/Wrecked--Em 3h ago

Well my version comes from over 222 hours of research

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u/Grouchy_Appearance_1 1h ago

Ah so you checked the lore

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u/PopcornGlamour 29m ago

No, I Chucked the Lorre.

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u/LivingHighAndWise 5h ago

Or, he is a fictional character in a fictional story..

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u/GroundbreakingAd8310 5h ago

It means as much as sautpns desire for the ring. Absolutely nothing

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u/TwerkLessons 5h ago

“He”

So the devil is a man?

https://giphy.com/gifs/Hhbea19lrGa9G

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u/Simple_Channel5624 5h ago

The Bible specifically says his sin is pride, but I like your take because it is way cooler than the original story.

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u/astralchanterelle 5h ago

Then quit imagining humans!

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u/iknowthekimchi 5h ago

“The worst thing was the hypocrisy!”

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u/Disastrous_Affect742 5h ago

Makes sense as thats human behavior. Refusing to take accountability and projecting it onto others and corrupting them in the process

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u/3atTh3R1ch79 4h ago

There is a version of Satan who championed the humans and sided with them against god.

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u/CanibalCows 4h ago

There's only one liar in the garden of eden story and it wasn't the snake.

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u/HorridChoob 4h ago

Wuuutt?

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u/Prestigious_Boat_386 4h ago

So then god would accept the ugliness? Why doesn't he let them in heaven then?

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u/googly_eyed_unicorn 4h ago

I’m legit intrigued by this. Can you explain more please?

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u/BODYDOLLARSIGN 4h ago

In Christianity Satan is actually tortured himself in hell with mankind in the end. The belief that he’s the one torturing you is a misconception. He tortures humans on earth to get them to denounce God so that they are sent there with him in the end.

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u/TurquoiseKnight 4h ago

Satan hates humans because God loves them more than the angels who are God's direct servants. Its classic envy and jealousy, thats it.

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u/Traditional_Fox_6360 4h ago
  • "Sounds profound, but it's just misanthropy with extra steps."

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u/TheGoatBet 4h ago

Jesus refused to accept it too, that’s why he died

Are your saying Jesus and Satan are the same?

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u/CaptainOktoberfest 4h ago

Satan's name is Ha-Satan in the book of Job where he functions as such against humanity in God's presence.  People forget what the "Ha" means, which is "the" while Satan means accuser or prosecutor.  So it is a title, he is the accuser serving a role not necessarily its actual name.

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u/FromTheBirch 4h ago

He hasen't killed anyone, God has killed more people than satan has. Look at the flood

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u/Working-Holiday420 4h ago

Huh? Thats news to me.

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u/Little-Charge-1501 3h ago

That sounds like forced logic to make sense of the ridiculous

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u/gustyaeroplane81 3h ago

Can’t blame him.

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u/no-Ceiling_666 3h ago

no wonder he never appears when I attempt to summon him. 

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u/Leading_Campaign3618 3h ago

1 Corinthians 6:3 states that humans will "judge angels" , implying a position of higher spiritual authority and rank in heaven, Because Jesus became a man, humanity shares in an elevated standing through union with Him

Satan occupied the highest rank in heaven among angels when told he would be beneath mankind rebelled

Ezekiel 28:13-16

You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle ;and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and I destroyed you, O guardian cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

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u/Icy_Ad5295 3h ago

Pretty sure this is the reason that is given to us. I just hate when people blame Satan for their evils. Like Satan forced you to do the horrible things you do. No, you are just horrible.

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u/lIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIIl 3h ago

That’s pretty much what they told me at Sunday school after splashing me with holy water

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u/Devils_A66vocate 3h ago

Yeah, like in dogma. He envies that he’s been cast out of heaven when humans do bad and are accepted. But none of it really makes sense unless you pick and choose what to highlight.

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u/jaygohamm 3h ago

So zamasu

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u/IThinkItsAverage 3h ago

God is omnipotent and all-knowing. Everything that happens is by His design. He knows everything that will happen. Which means He knew Satan would rebel. He knew Satan would obey Him in punishing the wicked. Which means he made Satan rebel so he’d have someone to run Hell. And when Satan tempts us, God already knows what we will do, He plans for us to be tempted knowing the outcome already.

He knew every human that sinned, would sin before they did. Every “trial” he puts before you, he already knows whether you will pass or fail beforehand, yet He still does it. Before you are even born He knows how your entire life will play out, He will meddle and play with your life, knowing how your life will end and that you will burn in Hell for all eternity. But that doesn’t stop Him from putting you on that path from the moment you are born. He claims we have free will, yet nothing happens outside of His divine plan.

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u/DruncleBum 2h ago

Well, you got the "I imagine" part right

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u/LazyLich 2h ago

The real reason is that The Satan and Lucifer are different beings. Lucifer is the rebel.

The Satan is employed by god as an opposition. Kinda like a prosecutor in court.

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u/SmootherWorm 2h ago

So his plot is to make humans worse, to prove he’s right which means he’ll be trapped with humans forever. So it’s a punishment for satan? It’s all illogical bullshit.

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u/Malice_Striker_ 1h ago

"Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself." 2 Nephi 2:27

Basically he's a sad boi and want you to be sad too I guess.

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u/UnhappyDeathClaw 1h ago

Because a human would understand the psychology of a mystical being. Makes even more sense😉

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u/Otherwise_Spare_8598 12m ago

Directly from the womb my existence is and has been nothing other than ever-worsening conscious torment every passing second exponentially compounding suffering awaiting an imminent horrible destruction of the flesh of which is barely the beginning of the eternal journey as I witness the perpetual revelation of all things by through and for the singular personality of the godhead. All things made manifest from a fixed eternal condition.

No first chance, no second, no third.

Born to forcibly suffer all suffering that has ever and will ever exist in this and infinite universes forever and ever for the reason of because.

All things always against my wishes, wants, and will at all times.

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The universe is a singular meta-phenomenon stretched over eternity, of which is always now. All things and all beings abide by their inherent nature and behave within their circumstantial realm of capacity to do so at all times.

It is a universe made manifest hierarchically, of haves, and have-nots, spanning all levels of dimensionality and experience.

"God" and/or consciousness is that which is within and without all. Ultimately, all things are made by through and for the singular personality and perpetual revelation of the "Godhead", entailing both 'predetermined' eternal damnation and those that are made manifest only to face death and death alone.

There is but one dreamer, fractured through the innumerable. All vehicles/beings play their role within said dream for infinitely better and/or infinitely worse for each and every one, forever.

There is no such thing as individuated accurately described "free will" for all beings. Has never been, will never be, can not be. There are only relative freedoms or lack thereof.

All realities exist and are equally as real. The absolute best universe that could exist does exist in relation to a specified subject. The absolute worst universe that could exist does exist in relation to a specified subject.

https://youtube.com/@yahda7?si=HkxYxLNiLDoR8fzs

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u/rufio_crowdawg 5h ago

People have no idea what the Bible actually says.

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u/DangerousQuestions1 5h ago

It doesn't say Satan is ruling in Hell. Nor does it say human beings are subject to eternal conscious torment after death. That's just an evangelically convenient doctrine for the Church to scare people.

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u/YobaiYamete 3h ago

Seriously, it's crazy how many people only know Hollywood Christianity / Dante's Inferno lol

When you actually read the bible you realize like 95% of what people on Reddit scream about isn't even in the Bible at all

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u/MiserableDude66 4h ago

If people have no idea what the Bible says, then who does?

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u/amglasgow 4h ago

Atheists.

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u/MiserableDude66 2h ago

And proudly

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u/ZhanBlue 4h ago

People who actually read shit, satan doesn’t torture people

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u/intricate_strands 5h ago

you imagine King of the Hill "if those kids could read" meme here.

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u/Legitimate_Issue_765 4h ago

Seriously. I haven't even read it, and I know it is his prison, not his castle. It's also just common sense if you know where he came from and why he's there.

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u/Apart_Republic_1870 3h ago

Well no. A lot of Christian imagery even used in some churches owes more to Dante than to any of the Biblical authors.

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u/SecureWriting8589 3h ago

Most don't really care.

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u/blahblah19999 3h ago

Bingo!

  • Yahweh is a local limited tribal war God who gets angry, hates, etc...

  • it supports slavery

  • Jesus doesn't fulfill a single Messianic prophecy

  • there is no "the" antichrist... Etc....

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u/SoonerEsq 3h ago edited 2h ago

Seriously. I've never met a Christian who has even attempted to learn Koine Greek so that they can read the original gospels themselves. 

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u/mplnow 1h ago

Yeah, I can’t read the language either

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u/ThrowAwayAccountAMZN 46m ago

sees only 13 upvotes, but 60 comments

holy controversial (apparently) takes Batman!

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u/L-System 6h ago

I mean, it doesn't take much. The devil is evil incarnate. The devil does devil things, the fact that you interpret it as torture has nothing to do with the devil.

I don't know the theology behind it or anything, but this seems evident.

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So is it proximity to the devil that's so bad or does God literally have a torture chamber in his basement, and it's the place that's punishing. That's a bad look.

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u/AnAncientBog 5h ago

None of that is actually in the Bible.

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u/SilentSam281 4h ago

Hell, being a torture chamber is a common misconception. It’s the answer to the question when you create everything where do you put everyone that rebels against you and refuses to live under your authority? That’s why God created hell. After the day of judgment and the subjugation of Satan, all of those who rebelled against God and refused his authority, get put there. One common misconception I’ve seen in a lot of the comments is that Satan cares about you, he doesn’t. Satan and all the fallen angels hate us, they really hate us. Think of it in terms of a prison that doesn’t have individual cells, just one giant room. Imagine being stuck in that prison full of a bunch of things more powerful than you that hate you on a level you can’t comprehend for all eternity, they’re not gonna be nice to you in there. I used to think that it was unfair for God to cast us into hell, until I recontextualize how I thought about it. Let’s say you own a home, are you going to let people live in your home that do not respect you or your authority in your home. They choose to live in a way that you find repulsive. The answer to that is no, you are not.

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u/mbta1 1h ago

Hell is like a prison, where Satan isnt a guard, he is the biggest and strongest inmate there who hates you

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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog 5h ago

"The devil is evil incarnate" never made any sense to me. Why would God create evil incarnate?

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u/BotherNo3974 5h ago

I know God is evil incarnate I created the good and the bad the light and the dark I am the Omega and the alpha so God is evil incarnate

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u/DepthChorge 5h ago

"Seems evident" is a wild justification to add to a religious argument, which is fully predicated on faith, or belief without evidence.

If you wanna play imaginary friends as an adult because it brings you peace, go for it. Dont try to legitimize the fiction by calling it "evident".

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u/gill_smoke 5h ago

In the original text, God lied and the serpent told the truth, then God had a hissy fit over it. Later the Adversary and God have a discussion about piety, and Job gets tortured until he begs God for an answer he never gets. A Prophet dies and gets to see what happens to those who didn't make it to heaven and tells another Prophet. The Adversary tempts Jesus to throw off the yoke and go his own way, Jesus refuses the offer. God however kills upwards of a million by his own hand in the old testament. The rest is all fanfic.

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u/Significant_Mouse_25 4h ago

God even says that he creates evil. Not the devil.

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u/singdawg 4h ago

The theology here is as wide and distinct as you can imagine. In the Hebrew Bible ie Bible Part I, satan is basically a foil to God. The satan, here basically is the antagonist in the Job story, to demonstrate that Job will remain his loyal servant, no matter the evils inflicted upon him. In other places in Bible Part I, satan is used in similar ways.

So basically, at this time, the story of Job was so popular that with each retelling the satan figure likely got imbued with more and more agency, to achieve both a distance of God from the acts of evil and theatrical flair. Likewise, other influences began to shape the conception of the devil, such as Zoroastrianism.

In Bible Part II, ie the Bible II: Jesus Electric Boogaloo, again satan tests Jesus who rebukes him. However, now they start connecting satan/demons to illnesses, which begins a natural path towards connecting satan with all evils, culminating in the Book of Revelation.

In Revelation, satan is actually chained and imprisoned for a millennia before he is set free. He then gathers his armies but is defeated again, this time cast into the lake of fire, which would become hell.

So what we see is over the course of hundreds of years, they actually MOVE the ultimate cause of evil from God to Satan. Basically we go from a satan used a literary device/foil to satan as a force on his own. This is actually a march from a belief in fate to a more free-will oriented approach to theology; rather than you simply being acted upon by God, your own failure to choose God will result in getting closer to satan, and thus evil.

So the real heart of this issue is the fact that there is a tension produced when the Christian God set up such a system where he is both omnipotent and benevolent but the presence of evil is allowed. Thus, Satan is presented as an adversarial supernatural agent that opposes God's purposes, to attempt to take some heat off the main man.

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u/Roxxas049 3h ago

But where did the devil learn evil?  You only learnt things from 1. Your parents 2. Societal acceptance

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u/Honest-Associate-626 3h ago

Well the fire and brimstone is apocalyptic actually

Hell, like the final hell is the void amd being disconnected from God entirely

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u/DreddPirateBob808 3h ago

Lucifer (the morning star, he whom illuminates, gods most beloved, the dude who made humans question god and his bizarre rules, he who was pushed aside for some mud and a rib (we'll keep lilith out of this because god don't like an uppity woman trufax) seems like a prime candidate for punishment and to be taught what being mischief gets you. And what better way than putting him in charge of the prison. After all he's obviously in awe and devoted to god (you don't get that angry with a break-up unless you are full-on invested) and, also, a badass (angels do not fuck around). He is also trusted. You do not put a lunatic in charge of the asylum. 

Although politics seems to dispute the last line.

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u/Rynneer 3h ago

No, satan is also being tortured, he’s not the king or ruler of hell. He’s not the one doling our the punishment.

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u/No-Dance6773 5h ago

He's not actually bad. He was the best angel but questioned why god gave humans free will and wanted the same. He was given hell but also a job. I also believe he does it because he is mad they used their free will "wrong" and every punishment he gives is done to absolve them of those sins. Only problem is the sins are too great to ever leave.

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u/IndieLozenge 5h ago

The bible never says that Satan tortures anybody. Its a classical reimagination.

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u/winston73182 5h ago

I am not religious but the answer is established: Satan hates humanity. He rebelled against god for loving humanity more than him, but Satan does not hate god, Satan is an angel and loves god to a degree that humanity - which is flawed - cannot imagine. So Satan seeks revenge in humanity.

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u/Flat-Guidance-4685 5h ago

Very rarely do I look like the character in this pic.... This post I didn't even get the the part with the top image. I was bottom image right out the gate

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u/AncientCrust 5h ago

They really didn't flesh out that Satan character's motivation. He's just what's technically known as "a big meanie."

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u/___Atsu 4h ago

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u/Tigerguy1961 4h ago

To All Below. This is no laughing matter. Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Christ our Lord is God. Careful what you be Mocking Now. God is No Joke!

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u/DangerousRemote9496 4h ago

That’s just me right now lol

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u/Senior_Ad1298 4h ago

Has anybody heard of the phrase “hell is locked from the inside”?

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u/time2when 4h ago

My guess is God would ship you down there and Satan would have some sort of torture fetish. The tv show The Reaper with Ray Wise as Satan had a comedic spin on it, but the point was still the same. The devil enjoyed his role as a dictator, reminiscent of a north korean or russian dictator.

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u/AccountForOld 3h ago

Okay so lets assume that the bible says that Satan was cast to hell and rules over hell and tortures everyone in hell. It doesn't, but lets say it does.

He tortures people because he's an asshole. It's that simple. It doesn't matter that they may or may not share the same beliefs. He tortures them because he's a prick. It really doesn't have to get deeper than that. Look at our world. There are people out there that bully and torture and maim and kill others for fun. Why would it be any different for Satan?

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u/brutinator 3h ago

Its not that dissonant. What if the devil just enjoys torturing? Why would he care the reason youre in his domain? Esp. since if you take things like Paradise Lost to be be canon (gotta love Christian fanfic!), Satan specifically twisted and perverted himself despite the consequences due to his pride (as he was not created evil; he chose to be so).

Not to conflate convicts in prison with evil, but why do they often hurt each other, despite being guilty of breaking the same laws? Because the reason why youre there doesnt really matter to anyone else.

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u/TornadoCat4 3h ago

You clearly didn’t read the Bible. The Bible says Satan will be tormented in Hell, not be the tormenter. Revelation 20:10; “and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”

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u/legna20v 3h ago

His punishment is he having to torture people he doesn’t wanna be involved with. Is like hating children and having to teach first grade

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u/SeedFoundation 3h ago

If you don't have an answer it's because God works in mysterious ways.

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u/Independent_Pay_3906 2h ago

lol Lucifer isn’t the king of hell, his destruction is going there for eternity

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u/RichnjCole 2h ago

He doesn't. Hell was created, and is controlled, by God. Satan and his followers are also prisoners.

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u/Additional-North-683 2h ago

Why is Satan evil for punishing sinners isn’t that a good thing like even if he betrayed God, wouldn’t he be redeemed by now since he’s been doing it for like I don’t know tens of thousands of years

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u/skilletjlc4 1h ago

The Bible does not say Satan is in hell torturing people. Satan is here, roaming the Earth.